Not sure why he’s reaction is like that. He’s shown to work together with the cops multiple times, seemingly with no problem. That they are hunted by them as unregistered superheroes is a calculated move. It seems petty to then see the cops as bastards.
I think he’s just trying to mask the actual reason he had a reaction in the first place, and in his effort to hide his secret identity he didn’t look where his tongue was running, and that ended much the same way it did for me when my brother convinced me that running with your eyes closed was a fun idea as a kid….
That’s why I think. Now he’s fumbling trying to cover his having worked with them. Also he’s technically a vigilante. I’m not quite sure of the legality of unregistered superheros here. It seems somewhere between you are breaking the law and if you damage anything you are responsible
From how they spoke of it previously, it sounds like you can get arrested for it. It looks like the only time they let it slide was when the troll basically forced the police’s hand.
It was previously mentioned that there are (some) laws protecting vigilantes from repercussions, but they barely cover anything
I feel like vigilantism in this world is viewed as a necessary evil by the government, they don’t like it, they’d prefer it not exist, but the official heroes can’t be everywhere, so they allow it as long as they don’t cause collateral damage
He doesn’t really seem to think (all) cops are bastards. That point only come up because Ben mentioned it a typical response, and then Lucas picked a rather unfortunate word choice phrasing it.
His initial reaction was (presumably) from the obvious issues dating a cop whilst keeping a secret identity, and now he’s foot-in-mouthing trying to find an explanation that simultaneously.
A – Doesn’t offend Ben (further)
B – Explains his reactions
C – Doesn’t give away his identity
D – Doesn’t invalidate his actual concerns around cops.
He’s not an illegal vigilante. There’s laws that extend some protections to caped vigilantes, which is why charmers like Deathblood exist.
But Deathblood is a perfect example of why it might not be fair, or correct, to go all ACAB on the police force. Because if ACAB is correct, then by that extension, Emily was correct when she shared with Ethan just how much of a problem that superheroes were and why they shouldn’t exist. In fact – supers should be far WORSE, being less regulated and ‘policed’ than the actual police, with very little able to check them.
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Techbender
9 months ago
It’s not so much that all cops are bastards as it is that all humans are bastards. The stanford prison experiment has shown us this. Just because cops can bastards doesn’t mean they also can’t be nice too. No one is all good or all evil. Except the troll, fuck that guy.
The stanford prison experiment did not pass scientific rigor; the study is not performed correctly in the interest of proving or denying something.
But ironically, that makes the experiment even more of a supporting argument for “Humans are bastards” (just not a science-paper-admissible study). As what happened over the course of the experiment shows the lengths a supposed scientists will go to just to make others BE bastards to their fellow man, just so they can prove their own pre-biased conclusion that humans are indeed bastards…
I think you’ll find that was my point. Give people a position of power over other humans and remove accountability from the equation and you will have cases where “good people” do bad things to other humans. It’s not just limited to police or any specific occupation. You see it with preachers, you see it with bosses, you see it with politicians regardless of affiliation. I’m not sure why we have a tendency to fall into such black and white thinking.
The Stanford experiment was a deeply flawed experiment made with non randomly selected persons and a direct involvement of the experimenter, some tries at replicating it have shown widely variating results, some even with everyone being friends despite the experimenter trying to foster hatred. The vast majority of the scientific field reject it today. You are entitled to thinking that human are naturally bastards, but please don’t base your view of humanity on a bogus experiment.
The Stanford prison experiment was faked. The guards were coached on what to do and the prisoners were told to fake thier distress. It was basically a skit.
There’s also the Stanley Milgram experiment, where 70% of people blindly follow orders from an authority figure, even if it (seems like it) has them kill someone.
(although to be fair, I think some group has been looking at a reinterpretation of that one recently).
Considering that, according to the World Health Organization:
Worldwide, almost one third (27%) of women aged 15-49 years who have been in a relationship report that they have been subjected to some form of physical and/or sexual violence by their intimate partner.
I’m not sure where 28% came from, but considering how high the global average rate is, yeah, 28% isn’t very significant.
One would imagine that the baseline figure was local (to the US I’m going to guess) and it was multiplied by 1.7 to end up at or around 28%. Which means the local figure was actually below average for worldwide, something that makes sense in societies that have made more progress on equal rights and treatment.
Of course I could look it up and see if my theory is correct… but I’m on holiday and feeling lazy :P.
27% of people committing abuse and 27% of people experience abuse are not the same. One person can abuse more than one person. While a person can experience abuse from more than one person, the statistic that you cited would count someone abused by 5 people that same as someone abused by 1.
In the USA, 16% of people in the general population are reported to commit domestic violence, while 28% of police do, which is a 70% increase.
Yet so many upvoted you haha. Also, roughly half of domestic abuse(44%) isn’t reported, so that number needs to be nearly doubled to be closer to accurate.
Brah, you’re a vigilante. Aka, a self-declared cop with no supervision who does whatever he damn well wants and without any fear of repercussions or even accountability if caught (because of the mask). Others have the right to criticize the him, especially due to recent events in USA, but not a vigilante.
ACAB = “All Cops Are Bastards” =/= “Every cop is evil” It means that since police have been used, both historically and currently, as tools of oppression; no person subject to oppression can trust ANY cop. Even if you are both queer. Cops are not safe.
Hi! In liberal and far left viewpoints, there is a prevailing sentiment that our legal system is fundamentally unfair and unjust, and is one of the foundational stones of injustice against oppressed populations. In addition, with the recent highlighted disparity in minority treatment, there has been a strong demand for a reprioritization of budgeting towards different crisis response departments, and away from the increasingly militarized police, which is the actual goal of “defund the police”. People in or close to that camp think that anyone would have to have made at least a few unacceptable compromises to become and remain… Read more »
What Liberal protest groups ACTUALLY need to do is realize that the cops enforce the laws that these same Liberals often vote for. For example, after the Freddie Gray riots, there was a movement to remove some of the Broken Windows laws that are more likely to target minorities. Every attempt to remove the or lessen their impact were thwarted by the very people who support “Defund the police”. So, if you really want to change the system, you have to change the root causes that force the police into numerous unnecessary confrontations with the aforementioned minority population. This will,… Read more »
well, the thing is that addressing the root causes that force confrontations do go hand in hand with redistributing the funds that go to police, since the funds could be instead allocated to social worker programs and the like
in addition, from what I’ve been hearing, a lot of the issue stems from the way that cops are trained to treat their jobs like they’re at war, so defunding that kind of training is absolutely a root cause
That’s an oversimplification of the election process, when in reality voters don’t choose their candidates, candidates choose their voters. Candidates are people interested in politics, frequently run unopposed in the election let alone compete with other candidates from their own party. Once in power, voters don’t get to choose which laws they do and do not support. Even if there is an alternative, that alternative may come with other political perspectives that are dealbreakers for the electorate. I do agree broadly with the notion of having to change the root causes by reducing unnecessary confrontations. Police are not required in… Read more »
It is not. A lot of laws at the state and local level are voted directly on by the voters. An example that comes to mind was an incident in Sacramento, CA. The voters directly voted on a law that makes having slot machines in internet cafes or, in the case that I’m thinking of, a 7-11. As you can guess, the 7-11 got raided and the community got up in arms about the cops raiding a 7-11 over a slot machine in the back room. As usual, the focus was on the cops enforcing a law that the people… Read more »
As a follow-up to People in or close to that camp think that anyone would have to have made at least a few unacceptable compromises to become and remain a police officer, there’s been a handful of whistleblowers from several jurisdictions wherein ex-cops have gone into detail of how they’ve noticed corruption in their ranks, and tried to make things better, just for them to be harrassed, ignored, or even dismissed for doing so. While there’s likely some precincts out there without this issue, once people’ve seen enough of these, they can’t help but find themselves thinking that any good… Read more »
I mean. Lucas has at least several reasons not to date the guy.
The police doesn’t really have a great track record when it comes to treating minorities fairly. This also includes queer people. Even if the cops themselves are part of a minority.
As a superhero he’s taking a huge risk dating a cop, considering he and Ethan aren’t probably registered as heroes.
Cops also have a reputation for being abusive partners and especially abusive ex-partners (stalking, murder etc.)
He’s got a moustache and the start of a goatee. He’s clearly evil. Didn’t you learn anything from Star Trek?!
What we have here kids, is a very rare, precious type of person: the waiter who knows when to interrupt. They’re essential to the environment and pretty much extinct, so if you ever see one, make sure to tip accordingly to the service rendered.
If America paid hospitality staff a proper wage, it wouldn’t be necessary to supplement their income with tips so help them survive.
Ben
9 months ago
I realize that this has more to do with the fact that he’s a superhero with an identity to protect, but man, this hit. It’s that awkward moment when you realize that what might be a reasonable grievance against a particular group doesn’t always apply to each of its individual members.
if you say it still has to be proven that A.C.A.B. then you’re saying that at this moment maybe not A.C.A.B. so you’re statement of A.C.A.B. is not correct.
LCRC
9 months ago
A pretty decent demonstration of how, if it would be incredibly uncomfortable to discuss a “classification” you have assigned to someone to their face when you actually recognize their personhood, that is a good sign that your classification needs to be rethought.
He’s right though, all cops are bastards. In fact, when you apply for the job, they do a background check just to make sure you were born out of wedlock.
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Not sure why he’s reaction is like that. He’s shown to work together with the cops multiple times, seemingly with no problem. That they are hunted by them as unregistered superheroes is a calculated move. It seems petty to then see the cops as bastards.
I think he’s just trying to mask the actual reason he had a reaction in the first place, and in his effort to hide his secret identity he didn’t look where his tongue was running, and that ended much the same way it did for me when my brother convinced me that running with your eyes closed was a fun idea as a kid….
So you kicked a cabinet, that caused you to kiss a wall thereby destroying a mirror and then you fell on some LEGO?
He didn’t just kick that cabinet, he full on crippled his baby toe on it.
That’s why I think. Now he’s fumbling trying to cover his having worked with them. Also he’s technically a vigilante. I’m not quite sure of the legality of unregistered superheros here. It seems somewhere between you are breaking the law and if you damage anything you are responsible
From how they spoke of it previously, it sounds like you can get arrested for it. It looks like the only time they let it slide was when the troll basically forced the police’s hand.
It was previously mentioned that there are (some) laws protecting vigilantes from repercussions, but they barely cover anything
I feel like vigilantism in this world is viewed as a necessary evil by the government, they don’t like it, they’d prefer it not exist, but the official heroes can’t be everywhere, so they allow it as long as they don’t cause collateral damage
He doesn’t really seem to think (all) cops are bastards. That point only come up because Ben mentioned it a typical response, and then Lucas picked a rather unfortunate word choice phrasing it.
His initial reaction was (presumably) from the obvious issues dating a cop whilst keeping a secret identity, and now he’s foot-in-mouthing trying to find an explanation that simultaneously.
A – Doesn’t offend Ben (further)
B – Explains his reactions
C – Doesn’t give away his identity
D – Doesn’t invalidate his actual concerns around cops.
We’ll see if he can do it.
He’s just trying to follow his own ACAB rule
A – All
C – Cops
A – Aren’t
B – Bastards
He can do it.
I actually feel bad for what’s his name… Ben.
People who live in glass kettles shouldn’t stone pot.
Or something like that.
Yeah, it’s just like the call throwing the house black!
hmm, that does feel off, I’m pretty sure people pull stones out of the pot
A stoney bush is two hands the wiser.
Isn’t it the other way around, the pot stones you?
That’s only in Soviet Russia.
I was making a pun on cannabis being called pot, but I guess the SR thing is true, too. 😉
He asked Ethan to not involve with lilah because she’s a journalist, it’s logical that a policeman is even more dangerous for an illegal vigilante.
He’s not an illegal vigilante. There’s laws that extend some protections to caped vigilantes, which is why charmers like Deathblood exist.
But Deathblood is a perfect example of why it might not be fair, or correct, to go all ACAB on the police force. Because if ACAB is correct, then by that extension, Emily was correct when she shared with Ethan just how much of a problem that superheroes were and why they shouldn’t exist. In fact – supers should be far WORSE, being less regulated and ‘policed’ than the actual police, with very little able to check them.
It’s not so much that all cops are bastards as it is that all humans are bastards. The stanford prison experiment has shown us this. Just because cops can bastards doesn’t mean they also can’t be nice too. No one is all good or all evil. Except the troll, fuck that guy.
The stanford prison experiment did not pass scientific rigor; the study is not performed correctly in the interest of proving or denying something.
But ironically, that makes the experiment even more of a supporting argument for “Humans are bastards” (just not a science-paper-admissible study). As what happened over the course of the experiment shows the lengths a supposed scientists will go to just to make others BE bastards to their fellow man, just so they can prove their own pre-biased conclusion that humans are indeed bastards…
I think you’ll find that was my point. Give people a position of power over other humans and remove accountability from the equation and you will have cases where “good people” do bad things to other humans. It’s not just limited to police or any specific occupation. You see it with preachers, you see it with bosses, you see it with politicians regardless of affiliation. I’m not sure why we have a tendency to fall into such black and white thinking.
The Stanford experiment was a deeply flawed experiment made with non randomly selected persons and a direct involvement of the experimenter, some tries at replicating it have shown widely variating results, some even with everyone being friends despite the experimenter trying to foster hatred. The vast majority of the scientific field reject it today. You are entitled to thinking that human are naturally bastards, but please don’t base your view of humanity on a bogus experiment.
The Stanford prison experiment was faked. The guards were coached on what to do and the prisoners were told to fake thier distress. It was basically a skit.
There’s also the Stanley Milgram experiment, where 70% of people blindly follow orders from an authority figure, even if it (seems like it) has them kill someone.
(although to be fair, I think some group has been looking at a reinterpretation of that one recently).
Some jobs have the benefit of you-can-be-a-bastard-and-the-other-person-will-be-punished-for-that.
I mean 70%+ of cops in a relationship beat their spouse, so close enough?
The statistic is closer to “cops are 70% more likely to beat their spouse than non-cops”.
Important distinction, because it means only about 28% of cops beat their spouse.
Only 28%? Well that’s a hell of a lot better than 70%, what’s everyone worried about? 😛
Considering that, according to the World Health Organization:
I’m not sure where 28% came from, but considering how high the global average rate is, yeah, 28% isn’t very significant.
One would imagine that the baseline figure was local (to the US I’m going to guess) and it was multiplied by 1.7 to end up at or around 28%. Which means the local figure was actually below average for worldwide, something that makes sense in societies that have made more progress on equal rights and treatment.
Of course I could look it up and see if my theory is correct… but I’m on holiday and feeling lazy :P.
Vedrit, you’re not comparing apples to apples.
27% of people committing abuse and 27% of people experience abuse are not the same. One person can abuse more than one person. While a person can experience abuse from more than one person, the statistic that you cited would count someone abused by 5 people that same as someone abused by 1.
In the USA, 16% of people in the general population are reported to commit domestic violence, while 28% of police do, which is a 70% increase.
I forgot the </s> with my only 28% comment..I though it was obvious.
Yet so many upvoted you haha. Also, roughly half of domestic abuse(44%) isn’t reported, so that number needs to be nearly doubled to be closer to accurate.
Even 0.028 % of cops beating anyone is too many.
Brah, you’re a vigilante. Aka, a self-declared cop with no supervision who does whatever he damn well wants and without any fear of repercussions or even accountability if caught (because of the mask). Others have the right to criticize the him, especially due to recent events in USA, but not a vigilante.
A.C.A.B?
The thing he said right before it: All cops are bastards.
ACAB = “All Cops Are Bastards” =/= “Every cop is evil” It means that since police have been used, both historically and currently, as tools of oppression; no person subject to oppression can trust ANY cop. Even if you are both queer. Cops are not safe.
Hi! In liberal and far left viewpoints, there is a prevailing sentiment that our legal system is fundamentally unfair and unjust, and is one of the foundational stones of injustice against oppressed populations. In addition, with the recent highlighted disparity in minority treatment, there has been a strong demand for a reprioritization of budgeting towards different crisis response departments, and away from the increasingly militarized police, which is the actual goal of “defund the police”. People in or close to that camp think that anyone would have to have made at least a few unacceptable compromises to become and remain… Read more »
What Liberal protest groups ACTUALLY need to do is realize that the cops enforce the laws that these same Liberals often vote for. For example, after the Freddie Gray riots, there was a movement to remove some of the Broken Windows laws that are more likely to target minorities. Every attempt to remove the or lessen their impact were thwarted by the very people who support “Defund the police”. So, if you really want to change the system, you have to change the root causes that force the police into numerous unnecessary confrontations with the aforementioned minority population. This will,… Read more »
well, the thing is that addressing the root causes that force confrontations do go hand in hand with redistributing the funds that go to police, since the funds could be instead allocated to social worker programs and the like
in addition, from what I’ve been hearing, a lot of the issue stems from the way that cops are trained to treat their jobs like they’re at war, so defunding that kind of training is absolutely a root cause
The root cause being late stage capitalism, systemic racism and stuff, good luck.
That’s an oversimplification of the election process, when in reality voters don’t choose their candidates, candidates choose their voters. Candidates are people interested in politics, frequently run unopposed in the election let alone compete with other candidates from their own party. Once in power, voters don’t get to choose which laws they do and do not support. Even if there is an alternative, that alternative may come with other political perspectives that are dealbreakers for the electorate. I do agree broadly with the notion of having to change the root causes by reducing unnecessary confrontations. Police are not required in… Read more »
It is not. A lot of laws at the state and local level are voted directly on by the voters. An example that comes to mind was an incident in Sacramento, CA. The voters directly voted on a law that makes having slot machines in internet cafes or, in the case that I’m thinking of, a 7-11. As you can guess, the 7-11 got raided and the community got up in arms about the cops raiding a 7-11 over a slot machine in the back room. As usual, the focus was on the cops enforcing a law that the people… Read more »
As a follow-up to People in or close to that camp think that anyone would have to have made at least a few unacceptable compromises to become and remain a police officer, there’s been a handful of whistleblowers from several jurisdictions wherein ex-cops have gone into detail of how they’ve noticed corruption in their ranks, and tried to make things better, just for them to be harrassed, ignored, or even dismissed for doing so. While there’s likely some precincts out there without this issue, once people’ve seen enough of these, they can’t help but find themselves thinking that any good… Read more »
Assigned Cop At Briefing.
I mean. Lucas has at least several reasons not to date the guy.
Exactly!
I’ll have the foot, please. Just put it straight in my mouth with the one that’s already there, thanks
Best save he could make.
What we have here kids, is a very rare, precious type of person: the waiter who knows when to interrupt. They’re essential to the environment and pretty much extinct, so if you ever see one, make sure to tip accordingly to the service rendered.
If America paid hospitality staff a proper wage, it wouldn’t be necessary to supplement their income with tips so help them survive.
I realize that this has more to do with the fact that he’s a superhero with an identity to protect, but man, this hit. It’s that awkward moment when you realize that what might be a reasonable grievance against a particular group doesn’t always apply to each of its individual members.
Nah, ACAB. Sooner or later it will be proven true of all cops.
the system is shitty, injust, violent, racist, classist, ableist, (etc)
all cops enforce the system
so all cops are bastards.
Pretty simple indeed.
if you say it still has to be proven that A.C.A.B. then you’re saying that at this moment maybe not A.C.A.B. so you’re statement of A.C.A.B. is not correct.
A pretty decent demonstration of how, if it would be incredibly uncomfortable to discuss a “classification” you have assigned to someone to their face when you actually recognize their personhood, that is a good sign that your classification needs to be rethought.
Lucas hasn’t classified anything.
He’s right though, all cops are bastards. In fact, when you apply for the job, they do a background check just to make sure you were born out of wedlock.
Dumb jokes are my favorite type.
I didn’t take Lucas for a copcist
Not sure why you would now, either.
It appears “the mood” was also wearing a red tshirt…
Comments section is exactly as radioactive as you’d expect.