Yeaaahh.. what’s about this whole treath thing are kids really taking this video games this seriously?
Honestly theyll make that asshole ex attorney Jack Thompons looking like a freaking prophet at this rate.
If I think back, I took games pretty seriously. Waiting for something like GTA 3 was a ride! The disconnect is in how they express it. Looking at the state of the internet, they learn all the bad behaviour that anonymity brings. Especially with younger people the extreme reactions seem the best, as they’re less mature to understand grey. More reaction is better. If I combine my youthful excitement with growing up in super toxic anonymous online worlds, I can imagine that they react like that. Sadly, I think there’s no easy solution. It is a constant struggle to have… Read more »
The biggest problem is that the “biggest reaction” is the one most likely to be widely shared with social media. So even if you have a thousand different posts that are just calm or rational in their statements, it’ll take one or two absolute nutters screaming and raving at their camera to make it seem like thats the normal.
Also true. We’re being led to these posts as emotions keep us engaged. A rational post gets a small applause. A batshit crazy response gets many people jumping on the correction train, with trolls and extremists siding all over the place, fanning the fire. People take time for the post. Check on reactions. React again. It gets people there longer and gets them to return. All great statistics for social media. I wouldn’t be surprised if bots, AI or even just marketing is behind some of these posts and reactions, knowing full well the algorithm and human nature keeps people… Read more »
PVP got culled back in Dune Awakening I believe. But I’m sure the we and the author have seen this with many games.
Crestlinger
10 days ago
One on the right is an Ex-Acti(shortsighted)Vision fan.
GeorgeV
10 days ago
Definitely a broken chart. If feeling is at ‘none’, that means the game is at fault for not providing the expected, nay, required, unceasing supply of purest joy.
Truly the only appropriate response to such insult would be more unyielding rage, not a feeble nothing.
So you’re saying “none” should also be added to death threats category? Gotcha.
Paul
10 days ago
I mean…a few years back people threatened Laura Bailey’s child after her voice performance in TLOU Part 2. Think about that for a minute; she voice acted a character in a video game and people said they were going to kill her son. Something real wrong with the world.
That is effed up. Yet I am not surprised some how. Kelly Marie Tran got death threats for playing Rose in a Star Wars movie. Before that Jake Lloyd was bullied for his portrayal of young Anakin.
Game developers get this. Make a suggestion online to get a quick response of “I hope you see your child get hit by a car and die.” That was over a discussion about electric cars and how to speed up down time on them.
I agree something real wrong with the world.
I wish I knew why.
Mass communications for most on anonymous, aliased contributors, critics, and others.
It just gave a lot of folks that had been marginal and blocked from spouting awful beforehand ways to be toxic and it brought these folks together which ‘legitimates’ their views.
It used to be, if some awful nasty one went too far, there was a tussle. Not a great system, but it did provide more accountability than what we have online.
To an extent. One of the big draws though is the same reason why overly draconian punishment didn’t stop thieves and other criminals in the 1700s. (I.e. the Go To Jail Immediately For Life for stealing a loaf of bread and hangings were a public gathering for people to enjoy and cheer on.) They don’t intend to get caught. Punishment only works as a deterrant if they think they’re actually going to pay for it. How many people expect that the FBI is going to ACTUALLY track them down and arrest them for something said on a forum under a… Read more »
1) Legislation without practical and sufficient enforcement is useless. Having well-crafted laws backing up sufficient enforcement and you can curb behaviour. Example from a slightly different aspect: People speed because they won’t get caught very likely and if they do, most penalties are a minor cost. If you really wanted to change that, you’d make penalties to not just be money, but your car is taken and sold and the money put into state or municipal coffers AND you’d prevent the offender from having a vehicle license for 6 months and if they do it a second time, they go… Read more »
Someone doing this is a danger to themselves and others. Death threats are already a step too far in the danger to others category. I agree that mental healthcare is the correct destination for someone who thinks this is okay to do to people, but I have no problem with that being their sentence after their trial or plea bargain. And it needs to result in penance, not a clean bill of health and then released back to society a week after the ruling. Sadly, there is no more apt example of congestion in an already bloated system than mental… Read more »
Last edited 10 days ago by Risky
Gonfrask
10 days ago
In this economy?!
Anon
10 days ago
Have things really changed so much? Have we simply matured since the days when we were threatening congressmen for saying video games cause violence? Correlation is not causation, but there could be something said about maturity and understanding the consequences of real actions vs virtual actions. Sadly, something amplified by the ability to be pseudo-anonymous on the internet. If it’s not justifyable now, it wasn’t justifyable then and it’s important to learn from past mistakes.
Graeme Spence
10 days ago
People have a right to be angry I was upset at how broken Cyberpunk 2077 was but I did not for one second consider death threats to any of the developers I wrote a poor review on Steam but that was it. Now the game is actually quite good people who think death threats to developers or there families are pure nutjobs and need locking away and having there technology taken off them till they can act like grown ups.
scottsmom
10 days ago
But video games don’t encourage violent tendencies, right?
No, they don’t. Given tendencies over the past decade or two, I do, however, think that growing up in an era where the primary form of social interaction is highly anonymous with very little connection between online actions and real tangible consequences may in fact be the “encouragement for violent tendencies” that various people have been looking for. It’s not the games, it’s the internet. The fact that the whole system is designed to make people feel like the center of the universe, connect them exclusively with people who feel the exact same way and thus making them feel like… Read more »
Seconded when there was a app called Yik Yak that allowed people to converse anon in a local area the amount of racial abuse was crazy same as comments about women with some even suggesting threats of rape.
I think cause people can hide behind a screen and mostly not feel any impact to there hateful comments we now have an entire generation who have no self control
How in the hell is someone cutting you off in traffic, probably because they have limited time to get into a exit or something – but even if it was just out of spite, in any way similar to someone making death threats?
Right. They do not. As I’m sure you are aware of and not a complete ignorant fool making this post (right?) this is not restricted to just video games where people make death threats. This is an Internet thing. People make death threats about almost anything that makes them upset. If it was related only to video games then you could have something to talk about. But politics, sports you name it and there are people dumb enough to make death threats over it. Personally I think we need to make an effort to arrest these people. Have them pay… Read more »
Obviously people never make death threats about politics, celebrities, sports, random internet drama or other dumb stuff, it’s totally something inherent in video games itself and not in human stupidity.
My dude, this is a problem with people, not a problem with video games. People have sent death threats over movies and TV shows and plenty of other fandoms. Go look at the abuse actors in Star Wars movies have taken because people didn’t like the movies. It’s not the games causing violent tendencies, people just plain suck.
Ok granted this are charts of displeasures, I should’ve paid more attention (I just woke up, OK!)… but that’s why I don’t play new ever evolving things. Can’t get too worked up about something not affecting me in the first place 😁
tomk
10 days ago
Death threats do happen, and they are horrible. But also, given how frequently we hear people claiming they’ve received threats, but so rarely actually show said threats, and given people’s tendency to exaggerate in order to claim victim status… I’m skeptical it happens as often as it’s actually claimed.
I, for one, prefer not to victim blame people who said they’ve received death threats.
It’s always a moving goal post. The moment people start posting the threats, the next comments will be “Oh that’s not real, it’s photoshopped” “Context matters!” “That doesn’t sound like a death threat to me”
It definitely happens all the time. Outright death threats usually get deleted from places, so you might not see that as often, but go to any social media post or video where people are upset and you can see a ton of harassing comments.
Death threats?
Well, got some, on a forum. I think most, or all got deleted by moderators tho.
Most were 17th letter of alphabet believers.
Of those, I think most would have chickened out, in a face vs face meeting.
What makes you think they should show you the threats? You’re just an anonymous stranger, it’s not like you can offer any concrete help with it.
All you could offer is sympathy, which you clearly aren’t willing to do. Since you are unwilling to be sympathetic, showing the actual threat isn’t going to change that. It’s not like there’s anything interesting to see about it. And if you’re unwilling to believe them anyway, why would you believe the picture they show you is real?
Someguy
10 days ago
I don’t see the option to ridicule the ending of a trilogy by sending the devs a bunch of multi coloured cupcakes. Maybe both charts are broken.
Terrycloth Monkey
10 days ago
The PVP folks in Dune are being called out here I think. (Among others) They were the problem that had to be solved. The same attitude that makes it fun for them if they ruin someone elses fun, makes it so they behave like a 3 year in a target who wants the candy bar when they get told no.
foducool
10 days ago
I note that there are NO positive feelings on these charts lmao
It’s a displeasure grading system. “None” means no feelings of displeasure so why would there be any positive feelings on a chart for grading displeasure and its appropriate responses? The chart is literally not for that.
Chris
9 days ago
The biggest problem with the loudest ones are that, by sheer virtue of being loud, they are the most visible subsection of “players”. The loud and obnoxious minority, especially the ones doing the death threats for even minor things…. It’s why the Internet can seem lopsided sometimes as to what kind of people seem to be over-represented. It’s also why news covering these clouds ones aren’t being entirely genuine, because it’s the equivalent of simply reaching for the low hanging fruit, and nothing else.
Karrde
9 days ago
I dont think we’re going to be able to take mentally ill people off the internet Tim. Nor will they listen to reason.
Soeroah
9 days ago
I hate the new direction for the Zelda franchise. I think BotW is a fine game, but nowhere near perfect, and it irritates me that so many people write off the opinions of lifelong fans just because they like it. I’ve had chats with people who BotW is their first Zelda game and they are aggressive in defending it, with no sympathy for someone who has eagerly awaited every new entry in the franchise for almost 30 years like me. I think Aonuma is tone deaf these days and I’m sick of the open world formula ruining so many franchises… Read more »
Angrylittleman
9 days ago
I’m glad to say I have never done death threats over a video games development. I get annoyed like anyone else but my lizard brained self has a backlog of stuff to distract myself.
The most I’ve wished for is for some designer or coder or whatever to be slapped upside the head with a fish.
Pyre
9 days ago
The simplest fix is just to insist that, to use a social media, you have to pay $3 from an active credit card for a 5 year-membership.
Then you permanently attach the name and address to the profile making the comments.
You have now accomplished a 95% reduction in antagonism levels on social media forums.
Bart
8 days ago
The internet has made forming and controlling cults so much easier
Marseyais13
7 days ago
there might be a LOT of things to be pissed about in videogames (destruction of beloved IP, predatory practices and so much more), but death threats ?
What the hell could justify death threats ?
People are insane, and it is not even just in videogames.
You have politicians, singers, anyone even slightly in the public, who get them regularly.
24
Yeaaahh.. what’s about this whole treath thing are kids really taking this video games this seriously?
Honestly theyll make that asshole ex attorney Jack Thompons looking like a freaking prophet at this rate.
Not just him but every two bit grifter our hobby has been targeted by.
If I think back, I took games pretty seriously. Waiting for something like GTA 3 was a ride! The disconnect is in how they express it. Looking at the state of the internet, they learn all the bad behaviour that anonymity brings. Especially with younger people the extreme reactions seem the best, as they’re less mature to understand grey. More reaction is better. If I combine my youthful excitement with growing up in super toxic anonymous online worlds, I can imagine that they react like that. Sadly, I think there’s no easy solution. It is a constant struggle to have… Read more »
The biggest problem is that the “biggest reaction” is the one most likely to be widely shared with social media. So even if you have a thousand different posts that are just calm or rational in their statements, it’ll take one or two absolute nutters screaming and raving at their camera to make it seem like thats the normal.
Also true. We’re being led to these posts as emotions keep us engaged. A rational post gets a small applause. A batshit crazy response gets many people jumping on the correction train, with trolls and extremists siding all over the place, fanning the fire. People take time for the post. Check on reactions. React again. It gets people there longer and gets them to return. All great statistics for social media. I wouldn’t be surprised if bots, AI or even just marketing is behind some of these posts and reactions, knowing full well the algorithm and human nature keeps people… Read more »
At least he’s consistent.
A rare gift in this age.
What’s happened?
PVP got culled back in Dune Awakening I believe. But I’m sure the we and the author have seen this with many games.
One on the right is an Ex-Acti(shortsighted)Vision fan.
Definitely a broken chart. If feeling is at ‘none’, that means the game is at fault for not providing the expected, nay, required, unceasing supply of purest joy.
Truly the only appropriate response to such insult would be more unyielding rage, not a feeble nothing.
So you’re saying “none” should also be added to death threats category? Gotcha.
I mean…a few years back people threatened Laura Bailey’s child after her voice performance in TLOU Part 2. Think about that for a minute; she voice acted a character in a video game and people said they were going to kill her son. Something real wrong with the world.
That is effed up. Yet I am not surprised some how. Kelly Marie Tran got death threats for playing Rose in a Star Wars movie. Before that Jake Lloyd was bullied for his portrayal of young Anakin.
Game developers get this. Make a suggestion online to get a quick response of “I hope you see your child get hit by a car and die.” That was over a discussion about electric cars and how to speed up down time on them.
I agree something real wrong with the world.
I wish I knew why.
not being surprised over death threats means they are becoming so mainstream its sickening.
It’s all by a specific group of people. Well, 99.9% anyways
Mass communications for most on anonymous, aliased contributors, critics, and others.
It just gave a lot of folks that had been marginal and blocked from spouting awful beforehand ways to be toxic and it brought these folks together which ‘legitimates’ their views.
It used to be, if some awful nasty one went too far, there was a tussle. Not a great system, but it did provide more accountability than what we have online.
Evil people.
Perhaps we should have more prosecutions for such nonsense behavior.
We need better mental healthcare not more congestion in an already overbloated legal system
We could do both. Consequences for this behavior would help stop it.
To an extent. One of the big draws though is the same reason why overly draconian punishment didn’t stop thieves and other criminals in the 1700s. (I.e. the Go To Jail Immediately For Life for stealing a loaf of bread and hangings were a public gathering for people to enjoy and cheer on.) They don’t intend to get caught. Punishment only works as a deterrant if they think they’re actually going to pay for it. How many people expect that the FBI is going to ACTUALLY track them down and arrest them for something said on a forum under a… Read more »
1) Legislation without practical and sufficient enforcement is useless. Having well-crafted laws backing up sufficient enforcement and you can curb behaviour. Example from a slightly different aspect: People speed because they won’t get caught very likely and if they do, most penalties are a minor cost. If you really wanted to change that, you’d make penalties to not just be money, but your car is taken and sold and the money put into state or municipal coffers AND you’d prevent the offender from having a vehicle license for 6 months and if they do it a second time, they go… Read more »
Woodchippers have a very short wait time. 😀
How much shit could a woodchip chip if a woodchip could chip shit?
Someone doing this is a danger to themselves and others. Death threats are already a step too far in the danger to others category. I agree that mental healthcare is the correct destination for someone who thinks this is okay to do to people, but I have no problem with that being their sentence after their trial or plea bargain. And it needs to result in penance, not a clean bill of health and then released back to society a week after the ruling. Sadly, there is no more apt example of congestion in an already bloated system than mental… Read more »
In this economy?!
Have things really changed so much? Have we simply matured since the days when we were threatening congressmen for saying video games cause violence? Correlation is not causation, but there could be something said about maturity and understanding the consequences of real actions vs virtual actions. Sadly, something amplified by the ability to be pseudo-anonymous on the internet. If it’s not justifyable now, it wasn’t justifyable then and it’s important to learn from past mistakes.
People have a right to be angry I was upset at how broken Cyberpunk 2077 was but I did not for one second consider death threats to any of the developers I wrote a poor review on Steam but that was it. Now the game is actually quite good people who think death threats to developers or there families are pure nutjobs and need locking away and having there technology taken off them till they can act like grown ups.
But video games don’t encourage violent tendencies, right?
When people have insane reactions to something, the fault lies with those people, not the thing they’re inappropriately reacting to.
If I were to punch you in the face because your comment make me angry, would you say you were to blame for me punching you?
No, they don’t. Given tendencies over the past decade or two, I do, however, think that growing up in an era where the primary form of social interaction is highly anonymous with very little connection between online actions and real tangible consequences may in fact be the “encouragement for violent tendencies” that various people have been looking for. It’s not the games, it’s the internet. The fact that the whole system is designed to make people feel like the center of the universe, connect them exclusively with people who feel the exact same way and thus making them feel like… Read more »
Seconded when there was a app called Yik Yak that allowed people to converse anon in a local area the amount of racial abuse was crazy same as comments about women with some even suggesting threats of rape.
I think cause people can hide behind a screen and mostly not feel any impact to there hateful comments we now have an entire generation who have no self control
Pretty similar to how someone will cut RIGHT in front of you while in their car, but wouldn’t do that in the grocery store line. (Usually, sigh.)
How in the hell is someone cutting you off in traffic, probably because they have limited time to get into a exit or something – but even if it was just out of spite, in any way similar to someone making death threats?
As Mike Tyson said (Paraphrased): People got way too comfortable with disrespecting others and not getting punched in the face for it.
Right. They do not. As I’m sure you are aware of and not a complete ignorant fool making this post (right?) this is not restricted to just video games where people make death threats. This is an Internet thing. People make death threats about almost anything that makes them upset. If it was related only to video games then you could have something to talk about. But politics, sports you name it and there are people dumb enough to make death threats over it. Personally I think we need to make an effort to arrest these people. Have them pay… Read more »
Obviously people never make death threats about politics, celebrities, sports, random internet drama or other dumb stuff, it’s totally something inherent in video games itself and not in human stupidity.
My dude, this is a problem with people, not a problem with video games. People have sent death threats over movies and TV shows and plenty of other fandoms. Go look at the abuse actors in Star Wars movies have taken because people didn’t like the movies. It’s not the games causing violent tendencies, people just plain suck.
wanna bet it’s not a video game that caused that chart?
No, they dont. Incels on the internet are not threatening video games authors only.
Curious point about the hobby: neither chart has anything like “happy” or “satisfied” or “comfy and relaxed” or “really enjoying this.”
🤔
Ok granted this are charts of displeasures, I should’ve paid more attention (I just woke up, OK!)… but that’s why I don’t play new ever evolving things. Can’t get too worked up about something not affecting me in the first place 😁
Death threats do happen, and they are horrible. But also, given how frequently we hear people claiming they’ve received threats, but so rarely actually show said threats, and given people’s tendency to exaggerate in order to claim victim status… I’m skeptical it happens as often as it’s actually claimed.
I, for one, prefer not to victim blame people who said they’ve received death threats.
It’s always a moving goal post. The moment people start posting the threats, the next comments will be “Oh that’s not real, it’s photoshopped” “Context matters!” “That doesn’t sound like a death threat to me”
Go take a look at the Dune Awakening forums right now.
It definitely happens all the time. Outright death threats usually get deleted from places, so you might not see that as often, but go to any social media post or video where people are upset and you can see a ton of harassing comments.
Death threats?
Well, got some, on a forum. I think most, or all got deleted by moderators tho.
Most were 17th letter of alphabet believers.
Of those, I think most would have chickened out, in a face vs face meeting.
What makes you think they should show you the threats? You’re just an anonymous stranger, it’s not like you can offer any concrete help with it.
All you could offer is sympathy, which you clearly aren’t willing to do. Since you are unwilling to be sympathetic, showing the actual threat isn’t going to change that. It’s not like there’s anything interesting to see about it. And if you’re unwilling to believe them anyway, why would you believe the picture they show you is real?
I don’t see the option to ridicule the ending of a trilogy by sending the devs a bunch of multi coloured cupcakes. Maybe both charts are broken.
The PVP folks in Dune are being called out here I think. (Among others) They were the problem that had to be solved. The same attitude that makes it fun for them if they ruin someone elses fun, makes it so they behave like a 3 year in a target who wants the candy bar when they get told no.
I note that there are NO positive feelings on these charts lmao
It’s a displeasure grading system. “None” means no feelings of displeasure so why would there be any positive feelings on a chart for grading displeasure and its appropriate responses? The chart is literally not for that.
The biggest problem with the loudest ones are that, by sheer virtue of being loud, they are the most visible subsection of “players”. The loud and obnoxious minority, especially the ones doing the death threats for even minor things…. It’s why the Internet can seem lopsided sometimes as to what kind of people seem to be over-represented. It’s also why news covering these clouds ones aren’t being entirely genuine, because it’s the equivalent of simply reaching for the low hanging fruit, and nothing else.
I dont think we’re going to be able to take mentally ill people off the internet Tim. Nor will they listen to reason.
I hate the new direction for the Zelda franchise. I think BotW is a fine game, but nowhere near perfect, and it irritates me that so many people write off the opinions of lifelong fans just because they like it. I’ve had chats with people who BotW is their first Zelda game and they are aggressive in defending it, with no sympathy for someone who has eagerly awaited every new entry in the franchise for almost 30 years like me. I think Aonuma is tone deaf these days and I’m sick of the open world formula ruining so many franchises… Read more »
I’m glad to say I have never done death threats over a video games development. I get annoyed like anyone else but my lizard brained self has a backlog of stuff to distract myself.
The most I’ve wished for is for some designer or coder or whatever to be slapped upside the head with a fish.
The simplest fix is just to insist that, to use a social media, you have to pay $3 from an active credit card for a 5 year-membership.
Then you permanently attach the name and address to the profile making the comments.
You have now accomplished a 95% reduction in antagonism levels on social media forums.
The internet has made forming and controlling cults so much easier
there might be a LOT of things to be pissed about in videogames (destruction of beloved IP, predatory practices and so much more), but death threats ?
What the hell could justify death threats ?
People are insane, and it is not even just in videogames.
You have politicians, singers, anyone even slightly in the public, who get them regularly.