Pretty sure G force isn’t the term to use, Newtons of force maybe? Idk I’m not a scientist. But yes it absolutely could’ve been ripped right off if he was going fast enough and the adhesive was strong enough. Sure feels like that could happen when it happens in real life lol
It’s not really that improper. G-force is the force felt due to acceleration that makes you feel pressure in the opposite direction that you are accelerating in.
In this scene the strain is caused by rapid deceleration, and in terms of physics, deceleration is simply acceleration in the opposite direction. So you could legitimately call this a result of g-forces.
The word you are looking for is momentum. Depending on the velocity he was moving at and his own weight, his momentum would be what would have torn the leg off.
I don’t think that would happen. Speedsters usually have their bodies strengthened to an extent to be able to handle the speeds they move at. Some speedsters even heal much faster than normal humans as well. They’ll still need medical treatment to fix things but things like broken bones healing up once set into place to heal can heal in hours to days when normal humans can take months to fully heal.
I’d say it’s more likely his entire femur dislocated from the socket joint, due to the massive force associated with the sudden deceleration of his leg, when compared to the continued inertia of the rest of his body.
Thanks for the visual image 😂.
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Glurglenuts
24 days ago
This was a really smart idea honestly. A fairly non-violent way of incapacitating a speedster.
It’s also interesting that although he can move at superspeed, his reaction speed seems to be fairly close to normal human times.
It’s not really, it’s just that otherwise anyone with super speed would basically invulnerable. IMO speeders should just be avoided, because otherwise it’s always inconsistent between presentation and then the actual fight to levels which no suspension of disbelief can compensate.
They would be fine as long as the speed increase wasn’t anything stupid like a thousand times regular human speed. If Elijah was presented as having somewhere around 10 to 20 times regular human speed (between 150 to 300 mph) he would still be fast enough to outrun helicopters but not so fast you couldn’t react to him if you see him coming.
I think the kid with the ‘world hack’ glove was pretty well done in that regards, with regards to his speed hacking. I wish he wasn’t taken out that early on.
Aside from that one scene where he was tagging 3 things at once (allegedly) while maintaining a calm face to face conversation; the implication that he was breaking the speed of light there seemed more played as a one-off gag though.
Kinda depends in this case. The previous page has it a little ambiguous on how Elijah turned 90 degrees twice while still at pace, but I imagine he used the freshly made walls, pushing off of them to redirect his momentum and inertia. Yeah he can stop pretty fast as is, but I imagine it still takes at least a *little* lead time to go from dead super sprint to a full stop – especially since he just had an adverse reaction to going from very fast to nothing. There is also the consideration that, even if he had a… Read more »
But seriously, superspeeds should have a faster reaction. To avoid bumping into corners at supersonic speeds. And to stope their own limbs from going through other limbs. And to coordinate all that mechanics in the first place (I mean, the brain still needs to send nerve impulses to muscles and get a response).
Quite durable bones (and tendons and joints) also…
But we are not going there, OK. If we start to apply conventional physics to supers, something has to give.
Nightdagger
24 days ago
Oh GOD, having torn my ACL in an accident at work a few years ago, I recoiled VIOLENTLY at that panel! It’s UNGODLY painful and depending on how bad it is and what happens to you during the surgery (because surgery is the only option if it’s fully torn) and your recovery you might never regain full use of the joint.
Risky
24 days ago
Ouch… been there, I’m sure he’s got it worse though. Time for a lawsuit, vigilantes using inhumane tactics, unlike cops would would have laid a tack strip and had him need a few bandaids.
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Youve misunderstood the case. The Iowa shotgun case was a couple who set a shotgun spring gun trap to defend an unoccupied house from robbers. So in that case it was murder to prevent robbery, instead of injury to prevent murder and arson.
PLEASE don’t use the “burglar that fell onto a knife when breaking into a house” example. That one is a known fallacy – no one has been able to ever provide a source to this claimed case and has since been discarded as something to help push through legal statutes on ‘frivolous lawsuits’.
Yes, unmanned traps are a liability because you don’t know who could potentially trip them. However with a manually activated trap with warning signs the “victim” has every chance to just walk away and leave people alone.
This on the other hand is a fight not a trap, one that uses a non-lethal takedown method.
Non-Lethal tends to create more problems than not, looking at instances of civilians stopping criminals in real life. The aggrieved party being alive to sue you and tell a different story tends to create issues. This is why most home defense lawyers tell you that if you’re going to shoot somebody breaking into your home, do yourself a favor and shoot to kill. Thats an additional layer of advice on top of the “this is a person who has violated the sanctity of your home and you have no idea his purpose, which could be murderous, or thievery, or if… Read more »
I’m going to say “provide sources or I’m calling BS” here. The level of violence allowed to defend one’s home depends on local defense laws, and evidence of a crime isn’t simply a matter of ‘your story vs my story’.
If you kill somebody in your own home you STILL have to prove self-defense according to local laws.
And that’s not even touching the off the walls insane claim of defense lawyers advocating for lethal violence.
It’s a little more complicated than that. And, yes, it depends on location.
In most states there is a presumption of danger (rebuttable) if someone breaks into your occupied home. IOW, if I find someone who doesn’t belong in my house up to no good, It is assumed they are a danger to the occupants. And unless it is clear a reasonable person would know they was no danger, using lethal force is valid. In my state it’s pretty much, as long as I’m not shooting them in the back as they run away, it will be considered self defense.
“If you kill somebody in your own home you STILL have to prove self-defense according to local laws.”
Yup. There’s a well known lawsuit known as the “shotgun boobytrap” case – basic details can be found at Katko v. Briney – Wikipedia, while more detailed breakdowns can be found on free legal sites like Westlaw or PACER, where the owner of the property was found liable because they had set the deadly-force trap while their house was unoccupied, so it was not protected under Castle Doctrine.
The one place you are -not- expected to retreat from is your own home. And if it’s dark, which, chances are it’s going to be, you don’t have a realistic way to determine if someone is armed or not.
And if you have children in your home, the state would have an extremely difficult time convicting you of anything, if they even wanted to try.
Especially when the court only has one testimony to go by.
“…most home defense lawyers tell you that if you’re going to shoot somebody breaking into your home, do yourself a favor and shoot to kill.”
No, no, no. You never “shoot to kill”. You shoot to stop the threat. Yea, its close to the same thing, since you are probably sending multiple bullets center mass. But, if a prosecutor ever can show you “shoot to kill” it will be used against you to prove it was an intentional murder, not self-defense.
Maybe you should add that its American lawyers, or so I assume? In most of the Western world we hold life in a higher regard, so shooting and killing without further thought or understanding why the person is there is heavily scrutinized. Taking a life is a big deal here. Not doing anything to resolve the situation non-violently and simply shooting to kill at first sight will get you into trouble. Not to mention that the amount of armed robbers is quite rare. Though an interesting thought occurs. If you’re a thief and know there’s people with guns shooting to… Read more »
Additionally, in most if the western world the ability to claim self defence isn’t a given. You have to react proportionally to a threat for it to be applicable. So if you shoot an unarmed intruder, not only are you unlikely to successfully claim self defence but might open yourself to (attempted) murder charges.
That’s a fair viewpoint although there’s no guarantee his recovery time would be longer due to a pierced foot than from whatever just happened to his hip. The main treatment for the foot injury will still be a bandage aside from wound cleaning and booster shots, assuming they don’t keep the wounds uncovered like they did in my case.
This is the same injury type that gave Bo Jackson an artificial hip joint….
foducool
24 days ago
ow I felt that one
Eodyne
24 days ago
Oooooohhh I felt that hammy…
will scott
23 days ago
if that was me my knee would have torn off. thats def a career ender.
Bumpfer
23 days ago
Genuinely I’m surprised he didn’t tear his leg more at the speed he was going. Elijah must have a bit of enhanced durability to go along with his speed.
Angrylittleman
23 days ago
Ohhh I felt that! Ouch!
jonathan corbett
23 days ago
This makes NO sense. With how fast Elijah was, he should have moved faster than hte chemical bonding. He’s suddenly gone from untouchable speed, to race car speed. THat’s why evil speedsters are so HARD to write correctly, no offense to the cartoonist.
And in a universe with characters with superpowers where there’s actually a question as to whether some scientist’s serum has disabled the superpower of one of the main characters, who’s to say there can’t be some super bonding agent that works fast enough to trap a speedster?
We’re already defying the laws of normal physical reality. This isn’t too much of a stretch.
Don’t know about that, too much unknowable fictional physics involved to say how (im)plausible that is. We don’t know what kind of glue, how quickly it bonds, and it’s even arguable the super speed could affect the glue (and speed up the gluing) as soon as it makes contact.
The bigger problem (to me) is how Elijah would be hit by such a slow projectile.
Cartoon physics and suspension of disbelief – plain and simple. In the old Sonic the Hedgehog Saturday Morning cartoons, there is a plot device called “Mega Muck”, which can bring Sonic to an INSTANT halt if he sets foot on it, even going at supersonic speed.
But on the other hand, the whole concept of superspeed wouldn’t work in real word anyway. A hummingbird can flap its wings 80 times a second, but that doesn’t scale to larger animals. Muscle energy / heart / breathing.
So whatever. If one concept is made up, might as well make up super fast and strong glue. Resurrection and lit up arrows conjured out of nothing are much further on the suspension of disbelief breaking scale.
Comics are about plausibility. it’s plausible that this could work based on basic principles in real life and it’s not hard to wrap your head around. I don’t get why people have to be all “this wouldn’t happen in real life.” Of course it wouldn’t. This isn’t real life!
Curious
23 days ago
I was chatting with a friend that has a doctorate in sports medicine and deals with dislocations, sprains and tears frequently, here’s the breakdown they gave me: Looking at this comic, the physics of what’s happening here are brutal from a biomechanical standpoint, ignoring cartoon physics and plot armor. When someone running at super-speed gets waylaid like this, we’re dealing with a frankly MASSIVE change in momentum. The lower body comes to an almost instantaneous stop while the upper body continues forward with superhuman velocity. This creates what engineers would call a “point loading” scenario where enormous forces concentrate at… Read more »
Axiomite
23 days ago
ooooh. I felt that. There is going to be a high physical therapy bill.
That sticky point
22 days ago
Superspeed: Meet super-deceleration
Entercoven
22 days ago
This happens to me when I mildly stretch in the morning, I cant imagine it at Mach 1 or however fast he’s moving.
Wesley Riot
22 days ago
Did he dislocate his arse?
wysskers4
22 days ago
oh i FELT that in panel 3. welcome to a lifetime of sciatica on top of the other tragedies 🙁
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I felt that ‘pop’ 😮 ugh
Oof, having had something similar happen to me at regular human speeds. I can only imagine how much this must suck at superspeed.
Depending on the G forces, the leg could also have been torn off his body. Too graphic for this comic however.
That’s not what ‘g force’ means.
Pretty sure G force isn’t the term to use, Newtons of force maybe? Idk I’m not a scientist. But yes it absolutely could’ve been ripped right off if he was going fast enough and the adhesive was strong enough. Sure feels like that could happen when it happens in real life lol
It’s not really that improper. G-force is the force felt due to acceleration that makes you feel pressure in the opposite direction that you are accelerating in.
In this scene the strain is caused by rapid deceleration, and in terms of physics, deceleration is simply acceleration in the opposite direction. So you could legitimately call this a result of g-forces.
That makes sense, hooray for science clarifications!
The word you are looking for is momentum. Depending on the velocity he was moving at and his own weight, his momentum would be what would have torn the leg off.
I don’t think that would happen. Speedsters usually have their bodies strengthened to an extent to be able to handle the speeds they move at. Some speedsters even heal much faster than normal humans as well. They’ll still need medical treatment to fix things but things like broken bones healing up once set into place to heal can heal in hours to days when normal humans can take months to fully heal.
“usually” is a weird thing to say about a completely made up subject
Inertia, not G force.
And you thought stepping on a lego was bad…
Truly they are the caltrop of the modern world.
I honestly thought we were gonna see a Lego trap
Yikes. Even if he manages to get out of the glue, he’s not running anywhere.
Well, I guess he could just remove his shoes and pants
No that “pop” was likely Elijah’s hamstring letting go. Which is one of those injuries that’s sending you to the ER, super powers or not.
I was talking about the “getting out of the glue” part
I thought it was his hip being dislocated
I’d say it’s more likely his entire femur dislocated from the socket joint, due to the massive force associated with the sudden deceleration of his leg, when compared to the continued inertia of the rest of his body.
I thought the pop represented something more drastic, like his hip dislocating
Thanks for the visual image 😂.
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Citizens of Omnitropolis have come to call this phenomenon as ‘The Flash’!
This has been Lilah Monroe reporting for ONN News. Back to Tom in the Studio.”
This was a really smart idea honestly. A fairly non-violent way of incapacitating a speedster.
It’s also interesting that although he can move at superspeed, his reaction speed seems to be fairly close to normal human times.
It’s not really, it’s just that otherwise anyone with super speed would basically invulnerable. IMO speeders should just be avoided, because otherwise it’s always inconsistent between presentation and then the actual fight to levels which no suspension of disbelief can compensate.
They would be fine as long as the speed increase wasn’t anything stupid like a thousand times regular human speed. If Elijah was presented as having somewhere around 10 to 20 times regular human speed (between 150 to 300 mph) he would still be fast enough to outrun helicopters but not so fast you couldn’t react to him if you see him coming.
I think the kid with the ‘world hack’ glove was pretty well done in that regards, with regards to his speed hacking. I wish he wasn’t taken out that early on.
Aside from that one scene where he was tagging 3 things at once (allegedly) while maintaining a calm face to face conversation; the implication that he was breaking the speed of light there seemed more played as a one-off gag though.
Speedsters always move at the speed of plot, by necessity.
Yeah, but then what’s the point, honestly…
Kinda depends in this case. The previous page has it a little ambiguous on how Elijah turned 90 degrees twice while still at pace, but I imagine he used the freshly made walls, pushing off of them to redirect his momentum and inertia. Yeah he can stop pretty fast as is, but I imagine it still takes at least a *little* lead time to go from dead super sprint to a full stop – especially since he just had an adverse reaction to going from very fast to nothing. There is also the consideration that, even if he had a… Read more »
But seriously, superspeeds should have a faster reaction. To avoid bumping into corners at supersonic speeds. And to stope their own limbs from going through other limbs. And to coordinate all that mechanics in the first place (I mean, the brain still needs to send nerve impulses to muscles and get a response).
Quite durable bones (and tendons and joints) also…
But we are not going there, OK. If we start to apply conventional physics to supers, something has to give.
Oh GOD, having torn my ACL in an accident at work a few years ago, I recoiled VIOLENTLY at that panel! It’s UNGODLY painful and depending on how bad it is and what happens to you during the surgery (because surgery is the only option if it’s fully torn) and your recovery you might never regain full use of the joint.
Ouch… been there, I’m sure he’s got it worse though. Time for a lawsuit, vigilantes using inhumane tactics, unlike cops would would have laid a tack strip and had him need a few bandaids.
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Im not sure “im suing them because they used a non Lethal trap to stop me from committing murder and vandalism
people have done it and won the cases before. turns out traps are liability
Youve misunderstood the case. The Iowa shotgun case was a couple who set a shotgun spring gun trap to defend an unoccupied house from robbers. So in that case it was murder to prevent robbery, instead of injury to prevent murder and arson.
No
PLEASE don’t use the “burglar that fell onto a knife when breaking into a house” example. That one is a known fallacy – no one has been able to ever provide a source to this claimed case and has since been discarded as something to help push through legal statutes on ‘frivolous lawsuits’.
Yes, unmanned traps are a liability because you don’t know who could potentially trip them. However with a manually activated trap with warning signs the “victim” has every chance to just walk away and leave people alone.
This on the other hand is a fight not a trap, one that uses a non-lethal takedown method.
Not to mention, it’s a couple vigilantes vs a criminal murderer… I don’t think normal interpretations of the law really apply here.
You’ve misread Katko V. Briney. That’s an entirely different situation. Theres a good video about it by Legal Eagle on Youtube/Nebula.
Non-Lethal tends to create more problems than not, looking at instances of civilians stopping criminals in real life. The aggrieved party being alive to sue you and tell a different story tends to create issues. This is why most home defense lawyers tell you that if you’re going to shoot somebody breaking into your home, do yourself a favor and shoot to kill. Thats an additional layer of advice on top of the “this is a person who has violated the sanctity of your home and you have no idea his purpose, which could be murderous, or thievery, or if… Read more »
I’m going to say “provide sources or I’m calling BS” here. The level of violence allowed to defend one’s home depends on local defense laws, and evidence of a crime isn’t simply a matter of ‘your story vs my story’.
If you kill somebody in your own home you STILL have to prove self-defense according to local laws.
And that’s not even touching the off the walls insane claim of defense lawyers advocating for lethal violence.
It’s a little more complicated than that. And, yes, it depends on location.
In most states there is a presumption of danger (rebuttable) if someone breaks into your occupied home. IOW, if I find someone who doesn’t belong in my house up to no good, It is assumed they are a danger to the occupants. And unless it is clear a reasonable person would know they was no danger, using lethal force is valid. In my state it’s pretty much, as long as I’m not shooting them in the back as they run away, it will be considered self defense.
“If you kill somebody in your own home you STILL have to prove self-defense according to local laws.”
Yup. There’s a well known lawsuit known as the “shotgun boobytrap” case – basic details can be found at Katko v. Briney – Wikipedia, while more detailed breakdowns can be found on free legal sites like Westlaw or PACER, where the owner of the property was found liable because they had set the deadly-force trap while their house was unoccupied, so it was not protected under Castle Doctrine.
All states have some sort of castle doctrine.
The one place you are -not- expected to retreat from is your own home. And if it’s dark, which, chances are it’s going to be, you don’t have a realistic way to determine if someone is armed or not.
And if you have children in your home, the state would have an extremely difficult time convicting you of anything, if they even wanted to try.
Especially when the court only has one testimony to go by.
“…most home defense lawyers tell you that if you’re going to shoot somebody breaking into your home, do yourself a favor and shoot to kill.”
No, no, no. You never “shoot to kill”. You shoot to stop the threat. Yea, its close to the same thing, since you are probably sending multiple bullets center mass. But, if a prosecutor ever can show you “shoot to kill” it will be used against you to prove it was an intentional murder, not self-defense.
Maybe you should add that its American lawyers, or so I assume? In most of the Western world we hold life in a higher regard, so shooting and killing without further thought or understanding why the person is there is heavily scrutinized. Taking a life is a big deal here. Not doing anything to resolve the situation non-violently and simply shooting to kill at first sight will get you into trouble. Not to mention that the amount of armed robbers is quite rare. Though an interesting thought occurs. If you’re a thief and know there’s people with guns shooting to… Read more »
We know he’s not in his house, right? There’s no house.
Additionally, in most if the western world the ability to claim self defence isn’t a given. You have to react proportionally to a threat for it to be applicable. So if you shoot an unarmed intruder, not only are you unlikely to successfully claim self defence but might open yourself to (attempted) murder charges.
At that speed even tacks wouldn’t have needed “a few bandaids” as would have likely shredded the skin of his feet
Tack strips are designed for popping tires, I wouldn’t consider spikes going fully through my foot to be more humane
That’s a fair viewpoint although there’s no guarantee his recovery time would be longer due to a pierced foot than from whatever just happened to his hip. The main treatment for the foot injury will still be a bandage aside from wound cleaning and booster shots, assuming they don’t keep the wounds uncovered like they did in my case.
🎶hip bone’s connected to the…*POP* …nevermind!
You owe me a coffee… 🤣 Luckily no hardware was damaged during that snort…
You know what they say – stick to the ol’ reliable.
Thaaaaaat’s a dislocated hip. Yikes.
In a super universe you can trust in the good old super glue.
A lot of emergency cases too, the modeling world is full of peoples with their fingers forever sticked…
Heh, *Super* glue.
Where are his tools, by the way?
Wouldn’t it be ironic if he has a gun, as plan B?
Ozimandias moment? What kind of videogame villain do you think I am? I started the fire the moment I saw you
At first I thought they were casting Grease. Turns out Web is a lot better, no wonder it’s a lvl 2 spell..
Well that should calm him down and make him less crazy in their next encounter.
That’s only one hamstring. Does he have the power of super hopping?
Muscles don’t ‘pop’ (they extend to tear, if anything). But joints do. That’s a dislocation, not a pulled muscle.
Tend* bad autocorrect! xD
This is the same injury type that gave Bo Jackson an artificial hip joint….
ow I felt that one
Oooooohhh I felt that hammy…
if that was me my knee would have torn off. thats def a career ender.
Genuinely I’m surprised he didn’t tear his leg more at the speed he was going. Elijah must have a bit of enhanced durability to go along with his speed.
Ohhh I felt that! Ouch!
This makes NO sense. With how fast Elijah was, he should have moved faster than hte chemical bonding. He’s suddenly gone from untouchable speed, to race car speed. THat’s why evil speedsters are so HARD to write correctly, no offense to the cartoonist.
And in a universe with characters with superpowers where there’s actually a question as to whether some scientist’s serum has disabled the superpower of one of the main characters, who’s to say there can’t be some super bonding agent that works fast enough to trap a speedster?
We’re already defying the laws of normal physical reality. This isn’t too much of a stretch.
Don’t know about that, too much unknowable fictional physics involved to say how (im)plausible that is. We don’t know what kind of glue, how quickly it bonds, and it’s even arguable the super speed could affect the glue (and speed up the gluing) as soon as it makes contact.
The bigger problem (to me) is how Elijah would be hit by such a slow projectile.
Cartoon physics and suspension of disbelief – plain and simple. In the old Sonic the Hedgehog Saturday Morning cartoons, there is a plot device called “Mega Muck”, which can bring Sonic to an INSTANT halt if he sets foot on it, even going at supersonic speed.
I agree (with jonathan).
But on the other hand, the whole concept of superspeed wouldn’t work in real word anyway. A hummingbird can flap its wings 80 times a second, but that doesn’t scale to larger animals. Muscle energy / heart / breathing.
So whatever. If one concept is made up, might as well make up super fast and strong glue. Resurrection and lit up arrows conjured out of nothing are much further on the suspension of disbelief breaking scale.
Comics are about plausibility. it’s plausible that this could work based on basic principles in real life and it’s not hard to wrap your head around. I don’t get why people have to be all “this wouldn’t happen in real life.” Of course it wouldn’t. This isn’t real life!
I was chatting with a friend that has a doctorate in sports medicine and deals with dislocations, sprains and tears frequently, here’s the breakdown they gave me: Looking at this comic, the physics of what’s happening here are brutal from a biomechanical standpoint, ignoring cartoon physics and plot armor. When someone running at super-speed gets waylaid like this, we’re dealing with a frankly MASSIVE change in momentum. The lower body comes to an almost instantaneous stop while the upper body continues forward with superhuman velocity. This creates what engineers would call a “point loading” scenario where enormous forces concentrate at… Read more »
ooooh. I felt that. There is going to be a high physical therapy bill.
Superspeed: Meet super-deceleration
This happens to me when I mildly stretch in the morning, I cant imagine it at Mach 1 or however fast he’s moving.
Did he dislocate his arse?
oh i FELT that in panel 3. welcome to a lifetime of sciatica on top of the other tragedies 🙁