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Total Eclipse Of The Tank

December 9, 2024 by Tim

New team-based shooter, same old story.


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Glurglenuts
Glurglenuts
2 days ago

Wait, the Hulk is a healer?

Mike
Mike
1 day ago
Reply to  Glurglenuts

Yes, the man with healer blindness saw the big green healer with crystal clarity.

PapaVanTwee
PapaVanTwee
1 day ago
Reply to  Glurglenuts

I think you mean he “has” a healer.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 day ago
Reply to  Glurglenuts

He’s playing that he has the “blindness” too

AndyW
AndyW
1 day ago
Reply to  Glurglenuts

😀 Nice one!

Max
Max
2 days ago

Heads up Tim, seeing some nicotine related ads (zyn) which you probably didn’t want on your platform.

Longtime reader and fan, thanks for what you do

Last edited 2 days ago by Max
Demotis
Demotis
17 hours ago
Reply to  Max

I thought the ads were displayed based on my search history. I only see ads for Dell and NordicTrack, which are things I’ve recently searched for.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
16 hours ago
Reply to  Tim

But now you’ve typed the words “Jeep,” “Dodge Ram,” and “New Truck” so doubtless it’ll be doubling down.

Tanooki
Tanooki
13 hours ago
Reply to  Tim

The algorithm knows all. Let us know which one you end up buying!

Dagroth
Dagroth
2 days ago

I don’t play team shooters, so my first thought was MMOs, with the tank/healer/damage dealer trinity. (when running group content against computer controlled enemies)

There was a saying about healers, that you only notice them, once they are dead or otherwise not healing you, and you die.

Though the random groups could be pretty toxic, regardless of which role you played.

Teo
Teo
1 day ago
Reply to  Dagroth

Storytime: Back in WoW during WotLK, I found a clever combination of talents and T1 gear that allowed my Resto Druid to use cooldown-free, mana-free, threat-free, infinite use of Tranquility.

In hundreds of heroic dungeons, only ONE Rogue ever stopped to ask “wait, how are you doing that?” Nobody else noticed, or if they did, they said nothing. Heck, once in awhile a mob would be drawn to me (remember: zero threat, but new spawns might see me first), and someone would tell me I needed to manage my aggro better.

Healers are invisible.

Dagroth
Dagroth
1 day ago
Reply to  Teo

They largely are, but at least I wouldn’t know the druid class well enough to realise, what you were doing. (I tried playing it, but it was post WotLK, and I didn’t find druid’s Restoration enjoyable to play anyway, shaman worked better for me as a healer) Also, T1? It’s been years since I played, but as far as I recall, that’s vanilla game’s first epic set, how was it still viable in WotLK*, stat-wise? *For non-players, WotLK was second expansion, and the stat gap between expansions was quite large, so (as far as I remember) generally, the epic gear… Read more »

Sanquin
Sanquin
19 hours ago
Reply to  Dagroth

I think this applies to every game that has healers. The amount of times in WoW where the tank would LoS me as the healer, or where in PvP others would just take off without waiting for me, and all of them would then complain “Where are the heals?! Heal me!!”

I feel like lots of people have never properly played a healer, and have no clue about how they work apart from “hey my health bar goes up again.”

MasterofBalance
MasterofBalance
2 days ago

Here’s the other side: I like playing healer/support characters, but because I’m generally the only one or the first one to pick one, I don’t get to play any other role

Stephen
Stephen
1 day ago

Pity DPS classes in MMOs

They can’t see either the tank, the healer or the aggro meter

AggroMeansNoHeal
AggroMeansNoHeal
1 day ago
Reply to  Stephen

Tbf, the dps tunnel vision is real.
I’ve played all classes during WoW:WotLK and for some reason I registered almost nothing around me when playing dps, but had perfect clarity of the whole raid when playing as a healer.
It feels weirdly claustrophobic, while healing feels like having omnivision.

Urazz
Urazz
1 day ago

That’s why I liked playing FF14, keeping aggro as a tank was easy and you were pretty much a tank with decent dps that used defensive cooldowns to tank big moves and focus on keeping the breath attacks away from the group/raid.

Granted, I stopped playing FF14 when the Hydaelyn/Zodiark saga ended so I don’t know if that’s changed with the latest expansion

Maz
Maz
17 hours ago
Reply to  Urazz

It hasn’t really, and that’s why we love it.

Logan
Logan
1 day ago

This is why I had DPS Meter mod running all the time, at least for raids and dungeons. Let tank pull, pop my Mark on main target, Misdirect my initial burst onto Tank so they get group agg locked in even more. Then just watch my meter.

Though i was somewhat the opposite with my heals. Focused on either tank or party almost solely (and ignoring intentionally spikey DPS.. ’cause I don’t heal Dumbass Damage xD ).

Most of the roles were decent-to-fun in SWtOR, too.

Last edited 1 day ago by Logan
Guest
Guest
1 day ago

So painfully true!

Mnemnosyne
Mnemnosyne
1 day ago

To be fair, if this didn’t happen, tanks would be useless. They probably make genuine effort to encourage this psychologically, by making sure tanks look threatening and attention grabbing in order to get people to focus on them rather than the healers. From character design, moveset, animations, to actual mechanical abilities, tanks really need to engage attention even when it’s not the smart move.

Terrycloth Monkey
Terrycloth Monkey
1 day ago
Reply to  Mnemnosyne

Indeed, any decent gamer knows to target the healers first. The tanks job is to get in the way of that.

Gonfrask
Gonfrask
1 day ago

Reading that in Marvel, as there is no limit in type choice for the team, you can find fighting against teams “unbalanced”

Paul
Paul
1 day ago

Took me a lot of games to get used to Rivals, despite having been deep into Overwatch. It’s good, but I feel like the healers do need work to become more viable to play reliably/consistently. That said – there’s something very satisfying as playing Rocket and riding around on Groot’s back.

Maz
Maz
17 hours ago
Reply to  Paul

I have seen a bunch of C&D, Jeff, Luna Snow, and Mantis MVPs. And Warlock is a nightmare when you have him with a mostly melee group. I think the supports are doing fine.

The only hero I’ve had a real desire to see changed is Thor. He has far too many limiters on his abilities. He doesn’t feel good to play.

Crestlinger
Crestlinger
1 day ago

Note the height. All healers here can hide behind tanks and be visually covered By them.

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
1 day ago

Fortunately some of us don’t suffer these issues. After all, you should always attack enemy healers, and allied healers are essential to blame when I die.

I’m not sure why Tim only had 3 characters in the comic panels though.

Happywyvern
Happywyvern
1 day ago
Reply to  GeorgeV

“allied healers are essential to blame when I die” 

Dammit Jim i’m a Dr not a bloody Lazarus pit…

Barlen
Barlen
1 day ago

Always shoot the medic, even if the medic is a little shark dog! Yes, Jeff is cute… but Jeff can also swallow you and your entire team whole and dive to his death and take you all with him. Shoot. The. Medic. Especially if it’s a shark!

Last edited 1 day ago by Barlen
naustghoul
naustghoul
1 day ago

There is an old expression in D&D…

Kill the caster.

Always prioritize those shifty little bastards hunkering down in the back row.

kaladorn
kaladorn
1 day ago
Reply to  naustghoul

I’d say kill the divine first, then any arcane. Why? Drop the healer and the one who can do all sorts of ‘resist’ or recovery spells that can really affect performance… your arcanes then become targets with no buff up worth mentioning.

You can take out enemy healers and retreat to rebuff and be ready to strike with everyone again. If you take out their artillery, but their divines are around, they’ll just pop them back into the fight. Kill the healer. Then the other casters. Then anything that’s left.

Zeqs
Zeqs
1 day ago

Honestly, as a Healer main in FPS games, I’d LOVE it if my enemy is blind to my presence. Means I can heal and keep my teammates alive without worrying them going after me.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 day ago

I get the joke, I do, but Hulk has healed from the point of burnt to ash, he needs a healer like I need man boobs… Oh wait…

John
John
1 day ago

I have been playing basically only as Luna Snow in Marvel Rivals so far.
Loving being a healer

SuperIchi
SuperIchi
1 day ago

The game needs an on-screen “being healed by (character name)” message somewhere on the UI

SuperIchi
SuperIchi
1 day ago
Reply to  SuperIchi

Oh, I just processed that this was about “nobody notices the enemy healer” rather than “tanks don’t appreciate when they’re being healed”

My B. I don’t play these much lol

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 day ago

Players with healer blindness are handy, IF they are on the opposing team! They ignore the healer of the group and go at the tank(s). I played WoW as a troll shaman and did the healing/defense roll in raids and PvP. often I’d stand behind the tank and heal them while VS players would wail away.

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
1 day ago

I think its the opposite for most players of tactical or turn based games. The healer get the big red X. Nothing else matters until the source of regen is destroyed.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 day ago
Reply to  CTOWNS

That’s true, which is why I used the Shaman, when leveled up, they have an attack called “frost shock” that does decent damage. Depending on how many mana and health potions I had on me (and had in my tool bar), I was a hard target. I haven’t played in years, but they were surprisingly OP for a healer class.

kaladorn
kaladorn
1 day ago
Reply to  CTOWNS

In the real world, a medic can perhaps revive or recover in months or years. Still important to save competent soldiers but also because the fact they’ll try to help the ones who are badly damaged is one of the reasons people would join the army more readily – morale. In tactical games, time scale is minutes and hours. A medic in the real world can do not much useful to bring any combatant back to the fight in that time period. In all these games where the magic or the healing from plants or psi, or some other source,… Read more »

jack
jack
1 day ago

THIS^^^^

sasparillafizz
sasparillafizz
1 day ago

I always enjoyed being a battle medic in TF2. People see medic and think easy squishy target. They forget medic has a gun too, and does respectable dps. I’ve put down many an assassinating scout/spy by just stopping healing and defending myself, and they seem to never expect it.

Nibelung
Nibelung
1 day ago

It has been 17 years since Penny Arcade made that classic “Shoot the Medic first” comic, and it’s amusing it has yet to become dated.

Pulse
Pulse
1 day ago

now if only mercys gun didnt have head tracking bullets that can turn corners