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Brannigan, p10

December 19, 2022 by Tim


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Pyre
Pyre
1 month ago

And there’s where it all really sinks in.

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P2Mc28
1 month ago
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TomB
TomB
1 month ago
Reply to  P2Mc28

Can’t the web team just wipe the account posting this spam? Or look at the repetitive posting and use that to prevent it showing up?

If there ever was a minor but real need for a ‘SMITE’ button that worked through the ether….

Theo
Theo
1 month ago
Reply to  TomB

Like some sort of failsafe that went off after…

P2Mc28
P2Mc28
1 month ago
Reply to  TomB

I think the problem it this forum software doesn’t use an account. I created an account, using the same email the spam bot is using, and it didn’t stop the bot. They may have even in fact banned that account, because the 2FA I set up on it in hopes to stop the bot stopped working and now I’m locked out of it. Alas! I think the username itself needs to be blocked – obviously that isn’t a fool proof plan as the bot could then just use another name, but at least I’d stop seeing my name with these… Read more »

Tommy Estrada
Tommy Estrada
1 month ago
Reply to  Pyre

Nobody knows the future in advance. Not even me, who can try to see everything logical and *think* I know what’s going to happen, even if it’s happened in history before or something.
Nothing is certain until it’s happened

Jacob Field
Jacob Field
1 month ago

And therein lies the crux of it: When you call yourselves family, and the stakes are THIS important to one or more of you . . . even if it gets heated, even if there are hurt feelings, even if no one comes away from the situation “happy” . . . you have the conversation – THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, NO HIDDEN AGENDAS, NO LIES – until the situation is RESOLVED. At LEAST to a point where EVERYONE agrees what the plan is going forward, reluctantly or otherwise, no guesses, no surprises, no subversions. Maybe everyone won’t LIKE the resolution, maybe… Read more »

scottsmom
scottsmom
1 month ago
Reply to  Jacob Field

Nope. Sorry, but no. You people are still treating this like some metaphor or something, so you’re not taking the situation seriously. If the LITERAL FATE OF THE WORLD is at stake, you shouldn’t care about unimportant shit like consensus if you’re the brains of the operation and the dingbat of the operation is of a different opinion. You listen to their reasoning, sure, but you still make the decision yourself if their reasoning is shit. Which it was, to be clear. The only reason Zeke happens to be good here, if they will indeed turn out to be good,… Read more »

Dom
Dom
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

Nobody knows the future in advance. Not even me, who can try to see everything logical and *think* I know what’s going to happen, even if it’s happened in history before or something.
Nothing is certain until it’s happened.

Lincoln
Lincoln
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

Your username checks out… Naturally you think your son is “the brains of the operation”.

But since you don’t care about such little things as consensus, why should you care if nobody agrees with you here?

Heck, if you don’t care about consensus, why even post here when only your opinion matters?

Tell your son to pull his head in.

Ashi
Ashi
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

Ethan and Lucas are NOT Scott’s servants.

Arcslayer
Arcslayer
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

We still don’t know enough about this world to know if Zeke can conquer it. Screw with online banking, yes. Outspeed online shopping bots, yes. Win in hand to hand combat with low-level supers, yes. Make and control full copies of himself to create a cohesive army, unclear. Luckily for us, this isn’t Terminator, and Scott had enough empathy with his team to not use the bomb instantly. So I don’t why the unfocused “This is the fate of the world” rage here. If he does go on to threaten humanity, you’re right you get a massive Gotcha moment. If… Read more »

Ben
Ben
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

My dude, it IS a metaphor. Zeke isn’t real, and neither is the threat he poses to humanity.

But even setting that aside, your argument assumes that Scott’s decision-making abilities are somehow superior to that of his teammates’. But even viewed exclusively from the perspective of how well he pursued his chosen goal of removing the potential threat of Zeke, Scott’s decisions were utterly impractical and strategically incompetent. His choices led to Zeke being alive, free, and more likely than ever to be a threat.

TomB
TomB
1 month ago
Reply to  Ben

The threat to humanity is either real or not strictly upon Tim’s plan or a decision on his part later. There is no reality except what Tim deems there to be. But, within the fiction, it seems pretty clear to me that there’s a risk. Maybe not tomorrow or the next week or month or even year, but maybe Zeke is nigh deathless… he can maybe really be a threat later. I don’t think Tim will do that other than as a useful time for the heroes to have to struggle to reach him, because the ‘world ends in fire’… Read more »

The Legacy
Member
The Legacy
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

Although you are correct in the sense that Zeke’s existence is a potential world threat (because, well, smart AI), Scott should have told them both that “I’m doing this, and my decision is final.” That or do said action and beg for forgiveness after. By doing neither, he blindsided the three of them, and actually made Zeke a literal world threat by doing a half-arsed job in disabling Zeke for good.

Esc
Esc
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

Imagine, treating fiction like fiction

Stromboul
Stromboul
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

At the same time, was Scott declared as their leader? Did he have the authority to be a dictator and decide unilaterally for the team, without even TELLING his team what his decision was?

I don’t think so. So in this case, whether he was RIGHT or WRONG, he SHOULD NOT have kept his decision which would impact his TEAMMATES from them.

TomB
TomB
1 month ago
Reply to  Stromboul

Did they have the authority to imprison Zeke? Did they have the authority to determine if he was automata or a sentience with autonomy? Did they have the authority to keep a potentially very dangerous threat (with a history of murders, whether compelled or not) in the neighborhood covertly? No to all of those things as well. Scott was wrong in the respect you call out, but also for the same reason, all of the team were wrong. They have no legal or moral authority to make these decisions for others (Zeke and the neighborhood and perhaps even the whole… Read more »

Jeff
Jeff
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

I think you’ve missed your own point here. They didn’t have a discussion, and so there was no opportunity to determine that Ethan’s reasoning was shit. They should have had the conversation.

Willess12
Willess12
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

So let me get this straight. Since Scott is the smartest person in the room, he doesn’t have to tell anyone what he’s doing or ask what they think. He’s clearly an omniscient genius and is always going to be right. And since Ethan is immature, Scott doesn’t need to talk to him about anything or listen to his reasoning ever, even when Lucas (who isn’t a dingbat) agrees with him. Scott is smart, and Zeke is potentially dangerous, that justifies him doing whatever he wants and lying to his friends about it.

James Kite
James Kite
1 month ago
Reply to  scottsmom

The so called “Brains” validated Zeke’s position that humanity can’t be trusted.

He has also undermined any trust his team, in particular Ethan, had in him.

RblDiver
RblDiver
1 month ago

This may just be what brings Scott back from villain territory.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago
Reply to  RblDiver

Clearly Ethan just resigned from the team, and it’s a result of Scott’s decisions. I hope this will break into Scott’s head about getting help, but I doubt it. He’ll get triggered again, by something or someone and he won’t have anyone to call him on it.

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
1 month ago
Reply to  Scarsdale

I do not think he resigned from the team, though I initially thought the same. It is a question of trust. Can he work together well with someone keeping back such important information? The trust is the question on the table. To stay a team is certainly on the back foot, but is still open.

But I feel there is something bigger underneath. They consider each other family. With the question of the team this is also put to question. For them this is something much bigger than fighting crime.

Arcslayer
Arcslayer
1 month ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

The team is already gone. Scott overstepped his role and refused to communicate with both of his teammates. Scott also let it fester by refusing to be the one that go to Ethan himself. It showed that he valued his morality over being in the team. It’s just like relationships where someone cheats, the specter of their choice never really fades away.

TomB
TomB
1 month ago
Reply to  Arcslayer

If the team is making the wrong decisions in the eye of one of the members, are you suggesting Scott should have not followed his understanding of what is moral just to keep the team intact? That sort of ‘the group is more important than what’s right’ has taken the world bad places at times. And yes, you can say Scott wasn’t right. Might even agree. But Scott thought he was doing the right thing and he was doing what he thought was necessary to protect his friends and the public (and because he was very traumatized, he has a… Read more »

TomB
TomB
1 month ago
Reply to  TomB

What he really needed to do before all this and definitely hereafter is to go to some decent therapy and work on the unprocessed trauma. That’ll help get his thinking less bent and obsessed.

If the guys were paying attention to Scott, I’d thought they’d have pushed for that sort of help. Heck, Ethan needs it too after all those deaths. So wouldn’t that suggest that Ethan too has some kinked up thinking and needs some help? Probably does.

But superheroes never go for therapy.

Arcslayer
Arcslayer
1 month ago
Reply to  TomB

Lying for the “greater good” is what got Scott here. Scott’s decision’s showed contempt and mistrust of his teammates, so why should they trust him? Look at how his script falls apart in chapter 9 and 10. He was probably thinking, “as long as I can convince them I was right, I will be right”. Using rationalizing to negate guilt and pain is addictive, self-destructive and all-consuming. It’s taken all this to remind Scott that his mental fears and simulations aren’t reality and that his actions have had deeper consequences. Also, “has taken the world bad places at times.“? Not… Read more »

Billy
Billy
1 month ago
Reply to  Scarsdale

I don’t take this as Ethan resigning from the team, I take it as him saying that disbanding the team is now on the table. If they had argued and fought and actually communicated, that option would never have come up.

I think if anything, this is Ethan trying to save the team, because – with the way this whole scenario played out – he can’t continue to be a part of it unless they can all find a way to trust each other again.

Tracker
Tracker
1 month ago
Reply to  RblDiver

A shame in a way, Scott would make the perfect villain.

someone with a strong, driving motivation that you can empathise with, intelligence, reasons to be resentful, all the access he needs to exploit weaknesses, good guys turned bad done well make the best villains, imo.

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
1 month ago
Reply to  Tracker

I’m actually glad he doesn’t, though I never thought it would go this way. The comic isn’t your standard Hollywood flick where extreme measures are taken for sometimes insignificant reasons. At all times each of the characters have a deeper, human motivation to do whatever they do. Even if a relationship sours you do not become a villain, arch or otherwise. The story is now good, because stories are about the moments something changes. If all this builds up to no changes it is boring. If he becomes a villain it is something that has been done a million times.… Read more »

HonoredMule
HonoredMule
1 month ago
Reply to  Tracker

It seems to me that a villan-Scott outcome is still on the table. In fact, for such an outcome to occur, it really has to take this longer way around to be properly believable. One betrayal, however profound, can easily break a friendship but is nowhere near enough to forge active emnity. For one thing, Scott hasn’t nearly enough cause to feel betrayed and even actively opposed by Ethan, in large part because he’s been earnest, honest, and communicative the whole time. To spark villainy in Scott, he has to at least think Ethan and Luke have between them done… Read more »

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago

He gets it now, too little, too late, but there it is. Sad thing is Zeke isn’t out of the picture, just gone into hiding (I hope to recover) before he shows up again. Maybe with luck he’ll be the fun buddy Ethan was hoping for but I kinda doubt it. Neither is the master, he could show up again with a newer, better army. Be a good excuse to get the team back together and for Zeke to show up to defend Ethan and Lucas. Or lead the army, but that’s Tim’s call… Tim had mentioned he was going… Read more »

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago
Reply to  Scarsdale

Ah, I should mention Scott’s comment about still having an argument over Zeke’s bomb settings is the excuse he told himself as to why he didn’t say or do anything. So he’s so deep in he lied to himself as well! But now he sees it so there might be hope for him, but I wouldn’t lay any bets on it.

The Legacy
Member
The Legacy
1 month ago
Reply to  Scarsdale

I don’t think he would reboot the strip anytime soon; Lilah hasn’t even been formally brought into the team yet (I assume, anyway), and there’s a couple of villains that are due to reappear. I don’t think we’ll have a 3.0 for at least another 10 years or so.

EMMachine
EMMachine
1 month ago
Reply to  The Legacy

I think the only mentioning of a 3.0 Reboot was an April’s Fools joke:
https://cad-comic.com/comic/re-reboot/

The Legacy
Member
The Legacy
1 month ago
Reply to  EMMachine

Yep. I haven’t heard anything anytime recently, so I was confused. Thanks for reminding me about the April Fools joke, though!

Mx. Me
Mx. Me
1 month ago
Reply to  The Legacy

Isn’t Lilah a news reporter in 2.0? I am pretty sure we have seen a fair amount of her. And Tim has already mentioned the reboot into 3.0, complete with vague theme.

Richard Weatherfield
Richard Weatherfield
1 month ago
Reply to  Mx. Me

I’m pretty sure that was an April Fool’s gag.

Mx. Me
Mx. Me
1 month ago

Darnit! Honestly, I find Analog and D-Pad to be the weakest part of the CAD 2.0 lineup and was looking forward to the change.

Jaysburn
Jaysburn
1 month ago
Reply to  Mx. Me

How on Earth did you believe that?

Mx. Me
Mx. Me
1 month ago
Reply to  Jaysburn

Wishful thinking? Wanting to see the IP improve? Heaven forbid I have an opinion that differs from the hive mind.

Jaysburn
Jaysburn
1 month ago
Reply to  Mx. Me

It’s not about having a different opinion, it’s about being easily fooled by an obvious joke.

The Legacy
Member
The Legacy
1 month ago
Reply to  Mx. Me

She is, but the plot of this is very loosely following the broad strokes of the original; Zeke joins the group, Scott is already in the group, and Lilah has been brought in as a potential love interest. The motivations, introductions, and entire plot is completely different, but those core elements seem to be the same. I think it’s a matter of time.

CloudHiro
CloudHiro
1 month ago
Reply to  Scarsdale

dont think Zeke will recover. not without help. gotta remember as advanced and human like as he is, he’s still a machine and machines just dont recover naturally from major damage. He needs someone capable of repairing him, and that’s ether Scott or his creator.

The Legacy
Member
The Legacy
1 month ago

Nice subtle touch with Scott dropping the glass. It really demonstrates how heavily the moment hit him there. And good thing too.

Also glad that Ethan was finally able to make Scott speechless. His excuses were super weak, and going in circles. Unfortunately I’ve seen people do this very behaviour, and that level of denial is crippling and damaging to both the person and those around them.

Last edited 1 month ago by The Legacy
Nomx
Nomx
1 month ago
Reply to  The Legacy

I think he could still be holding it between his legs, and it doesn’t feel very natural to me for him to like emotionally react for a few seconds and THEN drop it.

DontBeThatGuy
DontBeThatGuy
1 month ago

The fact Scott realizes his mistake (finally!) is all the proof I need he was never in danger of being a villain or anti-hero (though I admit I was kinda getting worried for a bit). The bonds they have are too strong to break. Before the night is over, tensions will be less strained and their brotherhood will be stronger for it.

David K.
David K.
1 month ago
Reply to  DontBeThatGuy

The issue is Scott is still not getting it when it comes to Zeke. He may understand that he screwed up in terms of Ethan (and to a lesser extent Lucas) but he still does not seem to comprehend that unilaterally deciding to take a life based on feared (but not imminent) future outcome is somehow ok.

Lrbearclaw
Lrbearclaw
1 month ago
Reply to  David K.

The thing is, it is okay to disagree on Zeke. If anything, that leaves room for “trust but verify” and someone would watch Zeke rather than assume he is on the side of angels.

Teocali
Teocali
1 month ago

Hope Ethan won’t forget that there was two peoples working together to keep him in the dark, one he used to call family, and another one he used to call friend. If so, it will be interesting.

Egasilon
Egasilon
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

Except there weren’t. Lucas was almost as in the dark about the bomb as Ethan. As far as he knew, Scott had disabled it a while ago.

Ashi
Ashi
1 month ago
Reply to  Egasilon

And Ethan saw Lucas’s reaction, so I hink he’ll be inclined to believe that Lucas was just as blinded.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago
Reply to  Egasilon

Lucas did try to stop Ethan and Zeke from leaving the room but it was too little too late. He saw Scott’s face as they were walking out and Lucas called out but it was too late. It’s true that Zeke will need repairs but the bomb didn’t completely destroy his brain just damaged it. His processing speed will be much lower and may not be able to handle the memory as well. So he might be able to re-route the damaged sections out. Like someone that’s suffered a serious injury, there’s always a way. I had 2 vertebra crushed… Read more »

Richard Weatherfield
Richard Weatherfield
1 month ago

Point and match, Ethan.

Mr_Meng
Mr_Meng
1 month ago

I bet the Scott haters are going to be rather salty that they aren’t getting the Scott villain turn that they’ve been calling for.

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr_Meng

Too many people focus so much on the story they want to see that they can’t enjoy the story they’re being given.

Last edited 1 month ago by ShonaSoF
Eric the White
Eric the White
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr_Meng

If you hate a character (fyi – I like Scott as a char even though I think he’s a jerk) you don’t want them to be a villain, you want the character to go away entirely.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago
Reply to  Eric the White

I don’t want him gone, I just wanted him to get help. Sadly it took this whole situation for him to realize that he screwed up, majorly. Scott was ready to kill himself after Charles’s death and Ethan showing up stopped him, so instead he decided to make it his life’s work to protect anyone from having to feel what he and Ethan felt over her death. He became obsessed with it, to the degree of lying and nearly killing Zeke over it purely out of fear. If that isn’t PTSD I don’t know what is.

Foxhood
Foxhood
1 month ago

It is a easy pitfall. Where one acts in a manner behind someone else’s back to avoid a confrontation, yet it almost inevitably leads to a far bigger confrontation later once it blows up.

Quite literally in this case…

GurrenLagann
GurrenLagann
1 month ago

And there it is, the checkmate and it came out pretty organic, but I don’t want Ethan to be like this XD I rather have him as a doofus with a heart of gold with some moments of brilliance here and there, but this one is a win for Ethan.

Merendel
Merendel
1 month ago

Just want to say Tim. You did an amazing job conveying the emotions Scott is going through with just his facial expressions. Some might have been tempted to put more dialog in there but you could have filled those frames with text and not conveyed the feeling as well. Good job.

Jacob
Jacob
1 month ago
Reply to  Merendel

The last 4 panels could have been a comic themselves.

Alex
Alex
1 month ago

Oh, wow. Ethan. Ethan, my man.

Alex Gratton
Alex Gratton
1 month ago

It feels weird. Drunk Ethan is… Reasonable? Logical? Human? What’s next, he’s gonna go to school and become a lawyer or something? Would be completely hilarious to find out that Deathblood, in his regular life, is a history teacher against the death penalty.

Mike
Mike
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex Gratton

Deathblood’s alter-ego being against executions would only work as a deterrent to pinning the identities together.

Alex Gratton
Alex Gratton
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike

Exactly. Not gonna happen, but still funny to imagine.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex Gratton

Ethan isn’t dumb or goofy he’s just got a case of ADHD that’s untreated. (Oooooh, shiny) In a calm state a sufferer can be like anyone else. I have it myself and it took years to learn how to control it, but it still rears it’s ugly head if I’m stressed. The thoughts come at a staggering rate to the degree where to save your sanity the higher functions tend to go to the back burner and the shiny takes over. Distractions help.

Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago

We need to remember that Scott was married or was going to marry Ethan’s sister, so Scott IS family to Ethan, that’s why Ethan is so hurt by the betrayal. It’s worse than Lucas’s part in this, they are friends but a betrayal by family is a deep cut… Lucas was taken in by Scott’s issues, that’s all.

Last edited 1 month ago by Scarsdale
Tommy Estrada
Tommy Estrada
1 month ago

And there’s where it all really sinks in.