I am wondering if they even have couple extinquishers if bucket of “water” is the first tought Ethan had. I imagine he would have started to tinker on super extinguisher by combining two regular ones.
I’m not sure a single bucket counts as a bucket brigade, though I amused to picture a line of people passing a single bucket towards a fire. The bucket’s contents splash into the inferno, and that’s it. No more firefighting.
One of McGyver episodes did something like that.
There was a fire in I think a mine (so underground, one entrance) and they used explosives to consume all the oxygen (and maybe collapse the entrance, cutting it off, “starving” the fire).
Of course, Ethan and Lucas’s store isn’t underground, so…
(cue Ethan planning to move it to an underground crypt with remotely-detonated explosives installed everywhere 😉 )
Or fire extinguishers, which is literally illegal.
ears
24 days ago
“Desperate Measures”
evilleet
24 days ago
Fun fact:
Most titles for PC are downloadable, all they really accomplish is burning empty casings and the codes for it, which are replacable within seconds.
Agreed – completely up for another great plot / strip but I do confess my immediate reaction was “does this really happen” / (and more controversially) not really interested in Tim’s views on the topic but that’s ok I don’t always have to be the target audience.
““We must stop the glorification of violence in our society. This includes gruesome grisly video games that are now commonplace.”
Trump, 2024.
“From violent video games — which I can tell you right now, I fully believe play a role in these type of tragic situations — to the culture that has evolved surrounding the glorification of gangs and of violence and of lyrics to songs that espouse violence. ”
RANDY SUTTON, Fox “news” 2024
Fairly certain both our points above were genuine and not a claim but appreciate sometimes hard to get out of “online debate” mentality.
In terms of examples given, noted and thanks.
Not sure I’ve ever heard of a burning and murder of a video game store but appreciate the comic is making a point / doesn’t have to be line-for-line matching of the world.
The real question here is: Could this really happen?
This is a fictional world, not a carbon copy of our world. But people are still the same. And you only have to look at the last 100 years’ worth of history to find what people are capable of doing when properly manipulated by propaganda.
For all his psychotic ruthlessness, Deathblood seems to be targeting actual criminals (the guys he murdered were a drug-trafficking gang).
Selling video games isn’t illegal.
I don’t think it’s Ellijah, though. I think it wouldn’t fit him.
Really not his style either. Blunt force trauma instead of bullet wounds, Deathblood probably wouldn’t bother with the elaborate merchandise burning, and the victim doesn’t appear to be a recidivist.
True. I don’t think he’d be against it if he were convinced of the “video game retailers = advocates of mass murder” propaganda, but yeah he’d be more likely to just shoot up the place and probably blow it up with a grenade in that case rather than just burn the stock.
Crestlinger
24 days ago
‘But Mah guns’ National Retard Assholes everywhere.
As opposed to the Nice Range Associates who Know proper firearm registry, use and control.
Seriously! Just use idiot, moron, simpleton, or feeble-minded. You know, the words that were originally medical terms for the condition but were determined to be offensive so they were phased out in favor of a new term specifically crafted to be inoffensive. What was that term again?
Meanwhile, literally no one is upset about the words idiot, moron, simpleton, or feeble-minded being used as insults, despite their origin. All I’m saying is, be offended equally by all of them, or none of them. I don’t care which.
Nobody is upset about the words idiot, moron, simpleton, or feeble-minded because their practical use as medical terms to describe intellectually handicapped people ended about a century ago. “Mental retardation” has been the most common term used, and was chosen to replace the other words in the early 20th century, as those other words had become pejoratives, but by the 1960s, “retard” instead was already being commonly used as an insult. There is perhaps no one alive whose first association with the word “simpleton” or “idiot” is purely medical, and for most of us, the fact that people in the… Read more »
Pardon my asking this. I have never heard the word “occupant” as an insult even historically. A Google search found nothing. May I know the background?
On the one hand, I want to say “No, Elijah wouldn’t take it that far.”
On the other hand, the story arc is called “Desperate Measures”…..
Khaisz
24 days ago
So that is how we find out his powers are still there I guess.
Someone decides to break into the store, Ethan is there trying to stop it, gets beaten to death, respawns.
It’s a bit like having Checkovs hammer. With every strip everyone is trying to hammer on the “how is Ethan hoing to get his powers back” nail. Before this it was a school shooter that was mentioned. How many guesses were there Ethan would rush in and get shot? Or one of the first time after Ethan lost his powers, when Zeke nearly murdered Scott after Scott tried to help Ethan find him. We see a situation and immediately try to fit Ethan’s death and subsequent resurrection. If we’re guessing anyway, I’ll propose this: They go out on the town,… Read more »
That would be such an anticlimactically funny way to reveal a major plot element that I sort of hope it happens, even though I know it’s likely vain hope.
Sinnirr
24 days ago
OK, that is going over the top.
I’d believe the video games influences someone to commit violence before I’d believe someone would do what is described here.
Actually, this makes a bit of sense for Omnitropolis. While gaming there appears to be slightly more commonplace and accepted there, there’s a lot of hints that games are more a part of people’s identity there. Winter-een-mas is an official holiday with its own traditions, including a nationwide televised yearly competition, and I’ve heard more than one person say “gods…” in the same way we might say “my God’ or “Christ” as an exclamation of shock. So if in this world there’s anything similar to 1.0’s “church of gaming,” then this is more than just “out of touch people blaming… Read more »
I’m not even joking. VG stores *are* tiny museums and a good CO2, or even safer, system is really worth it. Not going to save you from a marauding maniac, but might save your archive.
I got to meet the PlayStation/Super Nintendo once, and lose a round of street fighter on the system. Some things are important.
PhobosRising
24 days ago
Reminds of Springfield, Ohio with false claims of Haitians eating cats and dogs, or even Pizzagate, with a nutjob attacking a pizza place over conspiracy theories. I can go on for this. Society has shifted so much that what was intolerable is now demanded to be tolerated and ignored. Violence is pardoned. Debates go on about whether to flee the US, or would the remaining voices feel empowered by less people challenging them. Then it WILL flow outside the borders. First words to probe what will gain traction, then the spearhead.
Mr_Meng
24 days ago
It’s always gets me how people say video games make you violent when here I am reloading earlier saves in KCD2 every time I say the wrong thing to a person and my rep with them goes down. No please Sir Hans don’t leave me! I’ll try and be nicer while we’re in the stocks!
Me it’s refusing to romance more than one girl in Persona 4 Golden because I can’t bear to see the others hurt on Valentine’s Day.
The Riddler
23 days ago
The real issue is mental illness. The common denominator of most of shootings in the US is not political leaning, or religious background, or video-games, or sexual orientation, or any of the other boogeymen that often get trotted out. The commonality is that the people who engage in such actions are typically suffering from severe mental problems and that many people knew about the problems but didn’t (or couldn’t) do much about it. All too often these sorts of tragedies get co-opted by outside “causes” (some well meaning, some less so) as an excuse and justification to advance their own… Read more »
My understanding is PG was taken in for psychological testing for at least one occasion and had a history of being described as an ‘isolated loner’ with a history of strange behavior. Sounds very much like a person with mental & social problems who found a reason to radicalize himself … very much in the same vein as Audrey Hale who had social & mental issues and looked for reasons using a similar method. Every incident has a background and story for the perpetrator, but the common thread is that they are isolated, lonely, and have social & mental issues… Read more »
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I’m slightly worried that they don’t seem to have a restroom in the personnel section of their store.
Well … they have a bucket so ….
I am wondering if they even have couple extinquishers if bucket of “water” is the first tought Ethan had. I imagine he would have started to tinker on super extinguisher by combining two regular ones.
They might have the good powder ones. The problem is that is basically wrecks anything it touches. Water on the other hand is okay for CD’s (sort of).
An argument that doesn’t matter, for he’s using soda. At least they can make a bucket brigade. 5 stars for Ethan.
I’m not sure a single bucket counts as a bucket brigade, though I amused to picture a line of people passing a single bucket towards a fire. The bucket’s contents splash into the inferno, and that’s it. No more firefighting.
Fighting fire with fire is a legitimate tactic! One big flame and the oxygen is consumed, starving the fire!
Though in this case it might be starved for more fuel as it burned straight through.
One of McGyver episodes did something like that.
There was a fire in I think a mine (so underground, one entrance) and they used explosives to consume all the oxygen (and maybe collapse the entrance, cutting it off, “starving” the fire).
Of course, Ethan and Lucas’s store isn’t underground, so…
(cue Ethan planning to move it to an underground crypt with remotely-detonated explosives installed everywhere 😉 )
knowing Ethan he has replaced any extinguishers with CO² ones because Ethan reasons & Lucas may not have noticed.
Ethan works there, they have extinguishers, trust me, no way in hell they don’t.
I don’t doubt they have extinguishers, but do they have full extinguishers?
If anything, they probably have double the amount of fire extinguishers required because of Ethan. lol
Maybe Ethan doesn’t know what it’s for.
Which is a sick burn on Ethan.
I mean it’s Ethan, he probably didn’t even think to use the tap in the bathroom and just started filling a bucket with soda
Or fire extinguishers, which is literally illegal.
“Desperate Measures”
Fun fact:
Most titles for PC are downloadable, all they really accomplish is burning empty casings and the codes for it, which are replacable within seconds.
Fun fact: there are clearly Xbox and PlayStation game boxes in the background, and Lucas mentioned old games.
I don’t think Ethan is concerned about PC codes in a box.
But aren’t those digital today as well? Or do you mean the old titles?
It’s more about the message
The skull of the owner isn’t replaceable.
does this really happen?
I mean, do people still really get angry about video games after a shooting?
Agreed – completely up for another great plot / strip but I do confess my immediate reaction was “does this really happen” / (and more controversially) not really interested in Tim’s views on the topic but that’s ok I don’t always have to be the target audience.
““We must stop the glorification of violence in our society. This includes gruesome grisly video games that are now commonplace.”
Trump, 2024.
“From violent video games — which I can tell you right now, I fully believe play a role in these type of tragic situations — to the culture that has evolved surrounding the glorification of gangs and of violence and of lyrics to songs that espouse violence. ”
RANDY SUTTON, Fox “news” 2024
Yes, it still happens. Instead of claiming it doesn’t via rhetorical question, try paying attention to the news.
Fairly certain both our points above were genuine and not a claim but appreciate sometimes hard to get out of “online debate” mentality.
In terms of examples given, noted and thanks.
Not sure I’ve ever heard of a burning and murder of a video game store but appreciate the comic is making a point / doesn’t have to be line-for-line matching of the world.
Let’s see where the comic goes!
The real question here is: Could this really happen?
This is a fictional world, not a carbon copy of our world. But people are still the same. And you only have to look at the last 100 years’ worth of history to find what people are capable of doing when properly manipulated by propaganda.
The hot new thing to blame is trans people. “Was the shooter trans” pops up everywhere before the bodies are cold.
Well, there is a legitimate reason to ask that question.
A very well hidden one that you somehow do not feel the need to explicit.
there isnt even one tho
Saw an article just yesterday highlighting a shooter who was obsessed with video games, so yes.
…either Ellijah(“poison traffickers” tagger guy) is really stepping up his game, or this isn’t him.
Could be Deathblood (or w/e the guy with all the guns was called).
For all his psychotic ruthlessness, Deathblood seems to be targeting actual criminals (the guys he murdered were a drug-trafficking gang).
Selling video games isn’t illegal.
I don’t think it’s Ellijah, though. I think it wouldn’t fit him.
Really not his style either. Blunt force trauma instead of bullet wounds, Deathblood probably wouldn’t bother with the elaborate merchandise burning, and the victim doesn’t appear to be a recidivist.
True. I don’t think he’d be against it if he were convinced of the “video game retailers = advocates of mass murder” propaganda, but yeah he’d be more likely to just shoot up the place and probably blow it up with a grenade in that case rather than just burn the stock.
‘But Mah guns’ National Retard Assholes everywhere.
As opposed to the Nice Range Associates who Know proper firearm registry, use and control.
are you the leader of the national retard assholes??
can you guys stop using “retard” as an insult?
Seriously! Just use idiot, moron, simpleton, or feeble-minded. You know, the words that were originally medical terms for the condition but were determined to be offensive so they were phased out in favor of a new term specifically crafted to be inoffensive. What was that term again?
Meanwhile, literally no one is upset about the words idiot, moron, simpleton, or feeble-minded being used as insults, despite their origin. All I’m saying is, be offended equally by all of them, or none of them. I don’t care which.
Nobody is upset about the words idiot, moron, simpleton, or feeble-minded because their practical use as medical terms to describe intellectually handicapped people ended about a century ago. “Mental retardation” has been the most common term used, and was chosen to replace the other words in the early 20th century, as those other words had become pejoratives, but by the 1960s, “retard” instead was already being commonly used as an insult. There is perhaps no one alive whose first association with the word “simpleton” or “idiot” is purely medical, and for most of us, the fact that people in the… Read more »
Pardon my asking this. I have never heard the word “occupant” as an insult even historically. A Google search found nothing. May I know the background?
stop trying this hard to defend the use of the r word
If you’re talking about the actual NRA, they oppose any limits at all to guns, anywhere. So yeah, assholes.
Imagine dropping the R in 2025… smh
I suspect this the ex-Zeke-ly wrong direction
Is Elijah upping his game after having abandoned the legal route? Tune in next time to find out. Same CAD time, Same CAD channel.
On the one hand, I want to say “No, Elijah wouldn’t take it that far.”
On the other hand, the story arc is called “Desperate Measures”…..
So that is how we find out his powers are still there I guess.
Someone decides to break into the store, Ethan is there trying to stop it, gets beaten to death, respawns.
It’s a bit like having Checkovs hammer. With every strip everyone is trying to hammer on the “how is Ethan hoing to get his powers back” nail. Before this it was a school shooter that was mentioned. How many guesses were there Ethan would rush in and get shot? Or one of the first time after Ethan lost his powers, when Zeke nearly murdered Scott after Scott tried to help Ethan find him. We see a situation and immediately try to fit Ethan’s death and subsequent resurrection. If we’re guessing anyway, I’ll propose this: They go out on the town,… Read more »
That would be such an anticlimactically funny way to reveal a major plot element that I sort of hope it happens, even though I know it’s likely vain hope.
OK, that is going over the top.
I’d believe the video games influences someone to commit violence before I’d believe someone would do what is described here.
well, insults and intimdation happened, against wallmart after El Paso shooting for instance, so….
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/06/25/archeage-gamer-attempted-murder-charge/74207184007/
Actually, this makes a bit of sense for Omnitropolis. While gaming there appears to be slightly more commonplace and accepted there, there’s a lot of hints that games are more a part of people’s identity there. Winter-een-mas is an official holiday with its own traditions, including a nationwide televised yearly competition, and I’ve heard more than one person say “gods…” in the same way we might say “my God’ or “Christ” as an exclamation of shock. So if in this world there’s anything similar to 1.0’s “church of gaming,” then this is more than just “out of touch people blaming… Read more »
someone needs to point Ethan toward library fire suppression tools!! (https://www.fssa.net/industryfaqs)
I’m not even joking. VG stores *are* tiny museums and a good CO2, or even safer, system is really worth it. Not going to save you from a marauding maniac, but might save your archive.
I got to meet the PlayStation/Super Nintendo once, and lose a round of street fighter on the system. Some things are important.
Reminds of Springfield, Ohio with false claims of Haitians eating cats and dogs, or even Pizzagate, with a nutjob attacking a pizza place over conspiracy theories. I can go on for this. Society has shifted so much that what was intolerable is now demanded to be tolerated and ignored. Violence is pardoned. Debates go on about whether to flee the US, or would the remaining voices feel empowered by less people challenging them. Then it WILL flow outside the borders. First words to probe what will gain traction, then the spearhead.
It’s always gets me how people say video games make you violent when here I am reloading earlier saves in KCD2 every time I say the wrong thing to a person and my rep with them goes down. No please Sir Hans don’t leave me! I’ll try and be nicer while we’re in the stocks!
Me it’s refusing to romance more than one girl in Persona 4 Golden because I can’t bear to see the others hurt on Valentine’s Day.
The real issue is mental illness. The common denominator of most of shootings in the US is not political leaning, or religious background, or video-games, or sexual orientation, or any of the other boogeymen that often get trotted out. The commonality is that the people who engage in such actions are typically suffering from severe mental problems and that many people knew about the problems but didn’t (or couldn’t) do much about it. All too often these sorts of tragedies get co-opted by outside “causes” (some well meaning, some less so) as an excuse and justification to advance their own… Read more »
Payton Gendron wasnt mentally ill, he was a white supremacist and he’s not the only one
My understanding is PG was taken in for psychological testing for at least one occasion and had a history of being described as an ‘isolated loner’ with a history of strange behavior. Sounds very much like a person with mental & social problems who found a reason to radicalize himself … very much in the same vein as Audrey Hale who had social & mental issues and looked for reasons using a similar method. Every incident has a background and story for the perpetrator, but the common thread is that they are isolated, lonely, and have social & mental issues… Read more »