Well, Carlie was Ethans sister and Scott’s girlfriend. If Scott and Carlie had married Eathan and Scott would have been brothers in law. I guess, after Ethan says “Even if it was never made official”, that Carlie died before Scott could marry her.
Ya I was planning to ask if it was that when I started reading this page cuz its pretty important. By the end of the page it seemed they had to have been dating or engaged.
maybe you also are problem within that family, you do not even try understand why they hate homeless or why they are “racists” (gotta in modern sense assume you dont even know what racism actually is, and its one of labels you throw); most ppl have innate reasons from personal experiences why they have hate to something
That’s a lot of assumptions, that you treat as arguments for some reason. You’re literally taking wild guesses about someone else’s life, to the point of pretending you may know better than them, considering you don’t even know them while they know them intimately. Yes, people have motives for hatred. It’s never a mindless thing in its origin. But that doesn’t mean those motives are VALID. Prejudice, if that’s the case, is by definiton irrational and thus invalid. Because it’s literally judging something without knowing it. Treating ignorance as if it were knowledge. “gotta in modern sense assume you dont… Read more »
The thing is, the word “family” is usually a positive when you choose the family. That is what Ethan just did. He chose that Scott is (still) family, even if Carlie never got to marry Scott, Ethan chose for Scott to be his brother.
Just like how he chose for Lucas to be family (as his best friend).
We all have “relatives” we are connected to by birth and/or adoption, however our “family” is the people we choose to be our real selves with.
Yes, I know that much. I know it can be both. It’s common sense, really. I wasn’t replying to the comic itself. The comic’s clear on that. I was replying to Merida, whose comment pretty much ignores that family doesn’t always mean positive. So, I explained that bit. Doesn’t mean I’m ignorant about the rest. That’s a simple fact of life. Things only work out when you truly choose them. With your soul. Relationships, your calling/job/whatever, etc. One of society’s most common and worst mistakes, is putting too much stock in mere circumstances we don’t choose and allow them to… Read more »
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Acorr
2 years ago
Ethan’s rage at Zeke almost getting murdered gets extra poignant with him seeing Scott as family.
Also Scott’s conviction with bringing Zeke down.
All the talk about saving human race aside, it’s not easy to forgive what almost destroyed your family.
Gonfrask
2 years ago
Well…he decided to be the Brutus of your Cesar…more or less
jere
2 years ago
Unfortunately, it seems like we are taking the “I promised to keep you safe from yourselves” route. Still some residual hope left for “We’re family, so I should have listened to you when you trusted that robot” though.
What I really don’t see after this flashback is Scott becoming a villain, so at least thats a win!
Wait wait, we still have to see how he thinks about all this, and my “I need to learn how Ethan event happened to replicate it” card is still valid ???
Drew
2 years ago
Just had a random thought. If Ethan dies a bloody death, does the blood that spattered everywhere disappear when he respawns?
Yes it does disappear. There was a previous plot line where he tried to make money by donating blood but everytime he over-drew the blood and died his collected blood would vanish
Wait, that’s nightmare fuel, if he donates blood and that blood is given to someone and then Ethan dies, does the blood he gave to them suddenly vanish and kill them? O,o
Only if he donated a lot of blood which was then given to someone and then he died within a several hour period? But who knows, if he didn’t die from the blood draw he could possibly be considered “healthy” and the person would be fine. I guess it would depend on how often his power backs up his save.
That is how it’s been so far and why he was testing blood donation in a previous thread.
His respawn tracks his last healthy state, so if he gets healthy before dying, it persists.
austindorf
2 years ago
now it would be fantastic if a certain penguin appears 😀
Henchman Twenty1
2 years ago
This is what I like about characters such as Ethan. Despite all their other traits, characteristics and tendencies they still have their moments. And when they do, they really shine.
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Leon
2 years ago
I suspect he’s thinking, “I lose my legs, I lose my fiancee, and yet THEY gain super powers? This unfair world needs to pay…………”
While we don’t have an explicit thought bubble to truly confirm or deny anything, literally everything we’ve seen about Scott in this scene (and elsewhere) makes that extremely unlikely. It’d be pretty much the opposite of everything he’s done so far.
I’d also argue this comic is too well written for such a cheap twist or motivation. The characters tend to be a lot more complex than that.
Oh, I’m not denying that there are plenty of people and characters that would or could react like that. I just don’t think it would make any sense for Scott to do so. It’d basically go against everything we know about his character. More specific examples as for how he doesn’t fit the ‘I feel pain and now everyone else will too’ archetype; -His main emotion about the incident isn’t anger, it’s grief. He wasn’t brooding angrily, he was contemplating suicide. -He doesn’t even seem particularly bothered about losing his legs, his sorrow is mainly about Carlie and his being… Read more »
That is some *beautiful* imagery there. And honestly here… you can see the change already. He’s talking about time. Future plans. A family; a support system. And overall, a goal, and purpose. You know. Hope. Not to harp on “cancel culture,” but I think today we give up on each other far too easily. A lot of people might look at “family” and think, “Yeah, but family can be toxic.” Many people have had to distance themselves from abusive family, or cut them out of their lives completely – or, experienced being cut out themselves. To me – you don’t… Read more »
I disagree. I came from a toxic family, and sometimes the best think you can do is truly giving up on them and move on. For some, keeping their parents or relatives in their lifes can be a death sentence. Having toxic or evil people in your life opens a path directly to hell. On the other hand the word “Family” comes from a latin term that means “one’s property” like wife, sons, daughters, slaves, land… and remember that in roman society, if you were male, you could kill your son (as long as he was a minor). In conclusion:… Read more »
I’m not denying that extreme versions exist. My wife and I were foster parents for five years and took in several children who were victims of abuse, both mental and physical. I absolutely understand that there are some situations you *do not* want to be in, and in those cases, the boundaries you set are total. With that being said. I do believe that most family situations are not that extreme. Assuming that there is actual love in the family – not just surface-level affection masking control and ownership, but honest-to-God selfless, unconditional love – very few relationships are beyond… Read more »
Also, as an aside, I really don’t think that the Roman root of the word ‘family’ is influencing anyone to treat their kids like a disposable piece of property. Just like how ketchup isn’t made with fermented fish, despite the origin of the word.
But I hear you that you were in a dangerous situation and got out, and I’m glad to hear it.
I think what you wrote makes sense if your “family” actually acts like a family. I think they have to deserve the term first, though, by treating you like your feelings and needs matter, even if they happen to be adamantly against what you feel and need. You already clarified it somewhat further down the comment chain, so I guess I’m being repetitive (sorry!), but… in my experience people use “but we’re family!” as an excuse to subject you to endless demands for energy / time / resources / etc – total compliance – no matter how much damage that… Read more »
Sadly I can relate all too well to this…and I agree very much. Family, as used by society to me is a very empty phrase without any real meaning. Blood relations do not mean anything at all to me, it is the true bonds we shape and form and live that matter in the end. And sadly blood relatives can be quite literal cancer to your very existence. That being said, from my point of view indeed many people don’t seem to work on their relationships (be it family, friendships or love) hard enough – if things don’t work out… Read more »
I vigorously disagree. Biological family is bullshit, it is literally random. If your family comports themselves in a way that earns respect and loyalty, absolutely they deserve it, but otherwise? Fuck ’em. The people you choose to be around you is what matters, those are relationships of choice, not happenstance. Those are the relationships worth working for. And disregarding them because of “politics” or religion is a vital choice. These are core values, especially today when some of the core ideas of society are being rolled back. If someone disagrees about tax policy, whatever, we can have a debate around… Read more »
Eldest Gruff
2 years ago
Also: two versus one still didn’t manage to convince Ethan to lose the cape. So much for another voice of reason.
Capes might be impractical in most situations, but they give a certain je ne sais quoi
Logan
2 years ago
While there’s the *possibility* of Scott snapping out of it once he gets out if his flashback… I really don’t see it happening. This feels too much like a “you SAID you trusted my choice.. WHATEVER it was!” style lashing out, in retaliation for Ethan being mad at him over Zeke, to be anything but.
But, we’ll have to wait and see, come Monday, how it all turns out.
hash
2 years ago
There is one thing I see in this. Scott didn’t think he’ll see “tomorrow’s” daylight. Now it’ll be a day where he’s making different decisions than last night, different thoughts. Instead of staring down an abyss, he sees a bridge formed to get over it. He’ll probably watch the sunset before he makes a decision. Maybe stirring some old memories.
Is this a flashback: Yes, been one since page 3 of this chapter. (Panel 2 of page 3 to be exact). Lucas asked Scott to remember that they both want(ed) the same thing, and so Scott is having a flashback about he started. What’s going on: We’re currently seeing the day Scott got asked to join the Superhero project. And the revelation that Scott was doing a lot worse mentally than either of the others realized, even contemplating suicide right before they arrived at his door. What order it’s supposed to be: You mean the entire comic, every comic on… Read more »
Mario
2 years ago
Dune (the recent movie) reference?
william scott
2 years ago
not goign to lie; after first panel i was expecting a NO CAPES line….
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Family? That is quite a bit different from locked doors and pet murder.
Well, Carlie was Ethans sister and Scott’s girlfriend. If Scott and Carlie had married Eathan and Scott would have been brothers in law. I guess, after Ethan says “Even if it was never made official”, that Carlie died before Scott could marry her.
If I remember correctly, she was actually his fiancee, so the “never made official” line makes even more sense.
Ya I was planning to ask if it was that when I started reading this page cuz its pretty important. By the end of the page it seemed they had to have been dating or engaged.
“Family” can mean a lot of things. Both positive and negative. A lot of families are dysfunctional, and many are downright nightmarish.
Like mine! They’re super racist and hate all homeless people.
maybe you also are problem within that family, you do not even try understand why they hate homeless or why they are “racists” (gotta in modern sense assume you dont even know what racism actually is, and its one of labels you throw); most ppl have innate reasons from personal experiences why they have hate to something
You are an imbecile
Sounds like we got ourselves a bona fide racist right here.
ooor and bare with me they hate cause their racist and taught they are better than those they are not?
say your an american without saying your an american….
That’s a lot of assumptions, that you treat as arguments for some reason. You’re literally taking wild guesses about someone else’s life, to the point of pretending you may know better than them, considering you don’t even know them while they know them intimately. Yes, people have motives for hatred. It’s never a mindless thing in its origin. But that doesn’t mean those motives are VALID. Prejudice, if that’s the case, is by definiton irrational and thus invalid. Because it’s literally judging something without knowing it. Treating ignorance as if it were knowledge. “gotta in modern sense assume you dont… Read more »
Being wary of something, or having ptsd, is different from racism…
The thing is, the word “family” is usually a positive when you choose the family. That is what Ethan just did. He chose that Scott is (still) family, even if Carlie never got to marry Scott, Ethan chose for Scott to be his brother.
Just like how he chose for Lucas to be family (as his best friend).
We all have “relatives” we are connected to by birth and/or adoption, however our “family” is the people we choose to be our real selves with.
Yes, I know that much. I know it can be both. It’s common sense, really. I wasn’t replying to the comic itself. The comic’s clear on that. I was replying to Merida, whose comment pretty much ignores that family doesn’t always mean positive. So, I explained that bit. Doesn’t mean I’m ignorant about the rest. That’s a simple fact of life. Things only work out when you truly choose them. With your soul. Relationships, your calling/job/whatever, etc. One of society’s most common and worst mistakes, is putting too much stock in mere circumstances we don’t choose and allow them to… Read more »
Ethan’s rage at Zeke almost getting murdered gets extra poignant with him seeing Scott as family.
Also Scott’s conviction with bringing Zeke down.
All the talk about saving human race aside, it’s not easy to forgive what almost destroyed your family.
Well…he decided to be the Brutus of your Cesar…more or less
Unfortunately, it seems like we are taking the “I promised to keep you safe from yourselves” route. Still some residual hope left for “We’re family, so I should have listened to you when you trusted that robot” though.
What I really don’t see after this flashback is Scott becoming a villain, so at least thats a win!
Wait wait, we still have to see how he thinks about all this, and my “I need to learn how Ethan event happened to replicate it” card is still valid ???
Just had a random thought. If Ethan dies a bloody death, does the blood that spattered everywhere disappear when he respawns?
Yes it does disappear. There was a previous plot line where he tried to make money by donating blood but everytime he over-drew the blood and died his collected blood would vanish
Wait, that’s nightmare fuel, if he donates blood and that blood is given to someone and then Ethan dies, does the blood he gave to them suddenly vanish and kill them? O,o
Only if he donated a lot of blood which was then given to someone and then he died within a several hour period? But who knows, if he didn’t die from the blood draw he could possibly be considered “healthy” and the person would be fine. I guess it would depend on how often his power backs up his save.
Speaking of his power, does donating blood make those receiving it gain the same power? Or any superpower, for that matter.
That is how it’s been so far and why he was testing blood donation in a previous thread.
His respawn tracks his last healthy state, so if he gets healthy before dying, it persists.
now it would be fantastic if a certain penguin appears 😀
This is what I like about characters such as Ethan. Despite all their other traits, characteristics and tendencies they still have their moments. And when they do, they really shine.
I suspect he’s thinking, “I lose my legs, I lose my fiancee, and yet THEY gain super powers? This unfair world needs to pay…………”
While we don’t have an explicit thought bubble to truly confirm or deny anything, literally everything we’ve seen about Scott in this scene (and elsewhere) makes that extremely unlikely. It’d be pretty much the opposite of everything he’s done so far.
I’d also argue this comic is too well written for such a cheap twist or motivation. The characters tend to be a lot more complex than that.
Perhaps, but it can shock you how spiteful pained people can be…
Oh, I’m not denying that there are plenty of people and characters that would or could react like that. I just don’t think it would make any sense for Scott to do so. It’d basically go against everything we know about his character. More specific examples as for how he doesn’t fit the ‘I feel pain and now everyone else will too’ archetype; -His main emotion about the incident isn’t anger, it’s grief. He wasn’t brooding angrily, he was contemplating suicide. -He doesn’t even seem particularly bothered about losing his legs, his sorrow is mainly about Carlie and his being… Read more »
Thanks for this insight – I didn’t see Scott from this perspective before and this makes a lot of sense.
Whether it’s at themselves, the situation, or the world, anger is like mind control, it can change people. Anger and sorrow are usually holding hands.
What I’m reading here, is Pain leads to Anger, Anger leads to hate, and Hate, leads to the Dark Side…
Oh. Stab me in the heart why don’t you?
Only if you respawn a few seconds later.
That is some *beautiful* imagery there. And honestly here… you can see the change already. He’s talking about time. Future plans. A family; a support system. And overall, a goal, and purpose. You know. Hope. Not to harp on “cancel culture,” but I think today we give up on each other far too easily. A lot of people might look at “family” and think, “Yeah, but family can be toxic.” Many people have had to distance themselves from abusive family, or cut them out of their lives completely – or, experienced being cut out themselves. To me – you don’t… Read more »
I disagree. I came from a toxic family, and sometimes the best think you can do is truly giving up on them and move on. For some, keeping their parents or relatives in their lifes can be a death sentence. Having toxic or evil people in your life opens a path directly to hell. On the other hand the word “Family” comes from a latin term that means “one’s property” like wife, sons, daughters, slaves, land… and remember that in roman society, if you were male, you could kill your son (as long as he was a minor). In conclusion:… Read more »
I’m not denying that extreme versions exist. My wife and I were foster parents for five years and took in several children who were victims of abuse, both mental and physical. I absolutely understand that there are some situations you *do not* want to be in, and in those cases, the boundaries you set are total. With that being said. I do believe that most family situations are not that extreme. Assuming that there is actual love in the family – not just surface-level affection masking control and ownership, but honest-to-God selfless, unconditional love – very few relationships are beyond… Read more »
Also, as an aside, I really don’t think that the Roman root of the word ‘family’ is influencing anyone to treat their kids like a disposable piece of property. Just like how ketchup isn’t made with fermented fish, despite the origin of the word.
But I hear you that you were in a dangerous situation and got out, and I’m glad to hear it.
I think what you wrote makes sense if your “family” actually acts like a family. I think they have to deserve the term first, though, by treating you like your feelings and needs matter, even if they happen to be adamantly against what you feel and need. You already clarified it somewhat further down the comment chain, so I guess I’m being repetitive (sorry!), but… in my experience people use “but we’re family!” as an excuse to subject you to endless demands for energy / time / resources / etc – total compliance – no matter how much damage that… Read more »
Sadly I can relate all too well to this…and I agree very much. Family, as used by society to me is a very empty phrase without any real meaning. Blood relations do not mean anything at all to me, it is the true bonds we shape and form and live that matter in the end. And sadly blood relatives can be quite literal cancer to your very existence. That being said, from my point of view indeed many people don’t seem to work on their relationships (be it family, friendships or love) hard enough – if things don’t work out… Read more »
I vigorously disagree. Biological family is bullshit, it is literally random. If your family comports themselves in a way that earns respect and loyalty, absolutely they deserve it, but otherwise? Fuck ’em. The people you choose to be around you is what matters, those are relationships of choice, not happenstance. Those are the relationships worth working for. And disregarding them because of “politics” or religion is a vital choice. These are core values, especially today when some of the core ideas of society are being rolled back. If someone disagrees about tax policy, whatever, we can have a debate around… Read more »
Also: two versus one still didn’t manage to convince Ethan to lose the cape. So much for another voice of reason.
Or it could be the much, much worse scenario: That Scott agreed to the cape.
That monster.
Capes might be impractical in most situations, but they give a certain je ne sais quoi
While there’s the *possibility* of Scott snapping out of it once he gets out if his flashback… I really don’t see it happening. This feels too much like a “you SAID you trusted my choice.. WHATEVER it was!” style lashing out, in retaliation for Ethan being mad at him over Zeke, to be anything but.
But, we’ll have to wait and see, come Monday, how it all turns out.
There is one thing I see in this. Scott didn’t think he’ll see “tomorrow’s” daylight. Now it’ll be a day where he’s making different decisions than last night, different thoughts. Instead of staring down an abyss, he sees a bridge formed to get over it. He’ll probably watch the sunset before he makes a decision. Maybe stirring some old memories.
Looks like I forgot that it was morning already. I’ll still stick with the sunset motif though. 😛
I love the art style for this page – esp the last panel as it makes the characters look very natural and alive
I have absolutely no idea what is going on, what order this supposed to be or if this is a flashback.
I’m gunna stop reading right here.
Is this a flashback: Yes, been one since page 3 of this chapter. (Panel 2 of page 3 to be exact). Lucas asked Scott to remember that they both want(ed) the same thing, and so Scott is having a flashback about he started. What’s going on: We’re currently seeing the day Scott got asked to join the Superhero project. And the revelation that Scott was doing a lot worse mentally than either of the others realized, even contemplating suicide right before they arrived at his door. What order it’s supposed to be: You mean the entire comic, every comic on… Read more »
Dune (the recent movie) reference?
not goign to lie; after first panel i was expecting a NO CAPES line….