Pretty sure the last remaining bits of him is sitting on a rooftop, along with a spare faceplate, a battery, a stack of games, and a letter saying “I’m sorry.”
Yup. When the goof is taken from the goofball, we’ve gone beyond a moral event horizon (though perhaps not the moral event horizon). I’m afraid Tim might have “broken the Cutie.” Though not fully, seeing as Ethan is reaching out to those that broke him. Ethan hasn’t snapped yet, thank heavens.
Well, TvT still works as a site and a repository of easy plot discussion/explanation (just say the trope and others go “gotcha”). Despite someone’s attempt to take it over, failed, and split it off to attempt to take it over from the outside. And it also still works after the massive cleanup of meme-like “Darmok on the island of Tanagra” language (see Troy’s comment again, that’s a borderline case), of which the cleanup might or might not be related to the site split… which I personally I see where the others are going with that, but felt removed a lot… Read more »
So thrilled to get back to Ethan and Lucas. These two super powered beings are the most human and vulnerable characters I’ve ever seen in a comic, and I love them.
Gonfrask
1 year ago
I can forgive, but I can’t forget…
Jack0r
1 year ago
That was a really short interruption! I approve!
alexye
1 year ago
Is that a “that’s what she said” tibbit at the end there? Sorry, had to do it…
Paula
1 year ago
Go Ethan!
Steve
1 year ago
Hurts more that… what? Lucas pointed out to Scott that the failsafe should be disabled. Scott told him it would be “handled.” I guess he didn’t share this, but it hardly seems like it would be relevant information to share from his perspective. “Yeah, it’s the same thing you thought it was, just a little later” about a robot that nearly killed Lucas twice, much more recently? And then Lucas *realized* Scott lied and actually *tried* to stop the bomb trigger before it was too late? Seems like Ethan is the one lacking in perspective on this one. This one’s… Read more »
Lucas is supposed to have Ethan’s back on the streets against any and all foes. Lucas had seen for himself the growth that Zeke was making, but even though he knew the truth about the bomb, never told Ethan.
How can you trust someone to have your back in a fight, if you can’t trust them in ‘regular’ life?
But Lucas didn’t know the truth about the bomb, IIRC – he thought that Scott deactivated it. It was only when Lucas saw Scott’s face as Zeke left the back room that he realized that Scott didn’t actually deactivate it. Too late….
He knew about the bomb in the first place, but never told Ethan about it, unless i’m misremembering. That’s where the problem is. Ethan is going to have a very hard time trusting Lucas without some serious talking between them after this. Ethan may be able to respawn, but in ethan’s eyes, Lucas was willing to kill ethan because “eh, Ethan can respawn anyway” That’s why it hurts so much more for Ethan. Also getting lied to by family is pretty normal for many people, and while it hurts, it doesn’t hurt in the same way or as deeply as… Read more »
With the context that Ethan now believes the worst thing Scott did was lie to him about it and exclude him from the decision? Yeah, Lucas is pretty much equally to blame there.
Because Ethan had ever proved himself worthy of that trust up to that point. Seriously, ethan, you’re an idiot. Stop blaming your friend for not trusting you with a situation that didn’t involve just you when you’ve never shown yourself worthy of that trust.
Verdiekus
1 year ago
Ethan… being rational and adult… I’m so proud of him but my brain is hurting. Waiting for a repeat of the perpetual cereal joke or something like that from the old Ethan.
JustJoel
1 year ago
“slightly” less at fault? Lucas didn’t know anything! Am I missing something?
Lucas knew the bomb was set to perimeter explode, I do not believe Ethan ever knew that at all. And while Lucas felt the bomb was disabled by Scott, Ethan never knew the bomb was in play period.
By keeping secrets from Ethan, Lucas and Scott created a situation where there was ultimately a total lack of communication on the terms of ZK’s captivity, and that lack of communication led to ZK’s near-death. Ethan isn’t aware that the bomb was ever a danger, and is assuming that ZK is free to leave; Lucas isn’t aware that Scott isn’t on the same page and was deliberately vague with his words; and Scott isn’t aware that their initial agreement of “the robot doesn’t leave this room” is something that can be revoked so casually. If Lucas had let Ethan know… Read more »
Casra
1 year ago
Ethan has so grown into a fully fleshed out person.
WesleyRiot
1 year ago
I liked him better when he did stupid video game gags
Don’t worry about it. Fun fact with jack, come here, downvotes mean nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. They certainly don’t stop that asshole I see trying to sell something in every topic.
Darkhorse
1 year ago
I am still surprised about the tunnel vision with the bomb. The bomb might be a last resort, but it seems to me that Scott could just as well have made a perimeter trigger that disabled movement or more. We have seen he’s able to control this. If this and/or other failsafes don’t work, *then* you trigger the bomb. I know Scott was hoping to resolve this, so focuses on the bomb. Understandable. Yet Lucas has a more cautious view on the robot agrees with the bomb. Maybe to appease Scott, but containment should be considered. I can understand if… Read more »
You seem to be overlooking that there wasn’t a unified goal. There were two very different ideas on what to do with the robot. Ethan wanted to rehabilitate Zeke. Scott wanted to destroy the robot on principle. The eventual ‘bomb to contain it / destroy it if it tries to break out’ was just the best compromise they could agree on. You’re not wrong that there are less drastic options if the goal really is to ‘contain Zeke until rehabilitated’, but that wasn’t everyone’s goal. For Scott, it was closer to ‘contain Zeke until everyone agrees it’s too dangerous to… Read more »
Except Ethan didn’t agree to it, Ethan was kept in the dark about it, while his friends compromised on the bomb, and Scott decided to also cut the other friend out when he “got soft” on the robot. (Using terms in a vein that I imagine Scott would have thought in, in reference to ZK.)
Right, my bad. Thought Ethan was initially aware as well before Lucas and Scott cut him out.
At least that doesn’t make much difference for this particular (aspect of the) discussion.
Arcslayer
1 year ago
Just one little thing I’d like to see in the background would be a (updating) calendar. I love the conversations and the twists and turns this plot has put us through. I really like how the main trio all so enthusiastic about getting back to their normal routines. However, without knowing the time in between comics I feel more frustration than tension. Kinda like how would relationship milestones and holidays force us to prioritize what we want to do vs what our partners want. It’s why most modern cartoon characters feel so one dimensional, because plots get resolved so quickly… Read more »
Crestlinger
1 year ago
Time to derail the serious comic. Ethan’s tent catches the gaze. Buddy invest in some better fitting pants. Lucas’s last phrase Sells it with a look!
12yearfan
1 year ago
I feel like Ethan is feeling himself a way too much here. The others are giving him too much leeway.
Gruff
1 year ago
I appreciate that despite the discussions being more or less about the same incident, they already have different tones to illustrate their individual personalities. Scott has a lot of depression, fear, and cynicism he’s working through and that conversation held a lot of frustration. Lucas has less trauma, so this conversation is already starting with a lighter tone to reflect their friendship.
Scarsdale
1 year ago
Ethan feels betrayed by both of them, Although I think he is being hard on Lucas he did take Ethan’s side over Zeke and did try to get Scott to change if not remove the bomb trigger point. Ethan doesn’t know that and at some point he may IF he really talks to Lucas about it. He’s hurting right now and if Zeke does return it’ll be a big step in the right direction.
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aww that interruption was so human
So… who is that and what happend to the Ethan we know ? 🙂
You’re probably thinking of the pre-reboot Ethan
Pretty sure the last remaining bits of him is sitting on a rooftop, along with a spare faceplate, a battery, a stack of games, and a letter saying “I’m sorry.”
… metaphorically, of course, not literally.
Yup. When the goof is taken from the goofball, we’ve gone beyond a moral event horizon (though perhaps not the moral event horizon). I’m afraid Tim might have “broken the Cutie.” Though not fully, seeing as Ethan is reaching out to those that broke him. Ethan hasn’t snapped yet, thank heavens.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BreakTheCutie
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DespairEventHorizon
ew tvtropes
Well, TvT still works as a site and a repository of easy plot discussion/explanation (just say the trope and others go “gotcha”). Despite someone’s attempt to take it over, failed, and split it off to attempt to take it over from the outside. And it also still works after the massive cleanup of meme-like “Darmok on the island of Tanagra” language (see Troy’s comment again, that’s a borderline case), of which the cleanup might or might not be related to the site split… which I personally I see where the others are going with that, but felt removed a lot… Read more »
TV Tropes is awesome. The only thing bad about it is what it does to my work productivity some days.
He got an upgrade and we like it.
So thrilled to get back to Ethan and Lucas. These two super powered beings are the most human and vulnerable characters I’ve ever seen in a comic, and I love them.
I can forgive, but I can’t forget…
That was a really short interruption! I approve!
Is that a “that’s what she said” tibbit at the end there? Sorry, had to do it…
Go Ethan!
Hurts more that… what? Lucas pointed out to Scott that the failsafe should be disabled. Scott told him it would be “handled.” I guess he didn’t share this, but it hardly seems like it would be relevant information to share from his perspective. “Yeah, it’s the same thing you thought it was, just a little later” about a robot that nearly killed Lucas twice, much more recently? And then Lucas *realized* Scott lied and actually *tried* to stop the bomb trigger before it was too late? Seems like Ethan is the one lacking in perspective on this one. This one’s… Read more »
Lucas is supposed to have Ethan’s back on the streets against any and all foes. Lucas had seen for himself the growth that Zeke was making, but even though he knew the truth about the bomb, never told Ethan.
How can you trust someone to have your back in a fight, if you can’t trust them in ‘regular’ life?
But Lucas didn’t know the truth about the bomb, IIRC – he thought that Scott deactivated it. It was only when Lucas saw Scott’s face as Zeke left the back room that he realized that Scott didn’t actually deactivate it. Too late….
He knew about the bomb in the first place, but never told Ethan about it, unless i’m misremembering. That’s where the problem is. Ethan is going to have a very hard time trusting Lucas without some serious talking between them after this. Ethan may be able to respawn, but in ethan’s eyes, Lucas was willing to kill ethan because “eh, Ethan can respawn anyway” That’s why it hurts so much more for Ethan. Also getting lied to by family is pretty normal for many people, and while it hurts, it doesn’t hurt in the same way or as deeply as… Read more »
With the context that Ethan now believes the worst thing Scott did was lie to him about it and exclude him from the decision? Yeah, Lucas is pretty much equally to blame there.
Ethan isn’t upset as much about the bomb as about the fact that his friends trusted him so little with something so important.
Because Ethan had ever proved himself worthy of that trust up to that point. Seriously, ethan, you’re an idiot. Stop blaming your friend for not trusting you with a situation that didn’t involve just you when you’ve never shown yourself worthy of that trust.
Ethan… being rational and adult… I’m so proud of him but my brain is hurting. Waiting for a repeat of the perpetual cereal joke or something like that from the old Ethan.
“slightly” less at fault? Lucas didn’t know anything! Am I missing something?
Lucas knew the bomb was set to perimeter explode, I do not believe Ethan ever knew that at all. And while Lucas felt the bomb was disabled by Scott, Ethan never knew the bomb was in play period.
By keeping secrets from Ethan, Lucas and Scott created a situation where there was ultimately a total lack of communication on the terms of ZK’s captivity, and that lack of communication led to ZK’s near-death. Ethan isn’t aware that the bomb was ever a danger, and is assuming that ZK is free to leave; Lucas isn’t aware that Scott isn’t on the same page and was deliberately vague with his words; and Scott isn’t aware that their initial agreement of “the robot doesn’t leave this room” is something that can be revoked so casually. If Lucas had let Ethan know… Read more »
Ethan has so grown into a fully fleshed out person.
I liked him better when he did stupid video game gags
I don’t see the need for people to be downvoting this. Its just a non-hostile opinion of personal preference.
And we disagree with it. The minus button isn’t just for spam emails, and racists.
See what I did there?
Don’t worry about it. Fun fact with jack, come here, downvotes mean nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. They certainly don’t stop that asshole I see trying to sell something in every topic.
I am still surprised about the tunnel vision with the bomb. The bomb might be a last resort, but it seems to me that Scott could just as well have made a perimeter trigger that disabled movement or more. We have seen he’s able to control this. If this and/or other failsafes don’t work, *then* you trigger the bomb. I know Scott was hoping to resolve this, so focuses on the bomb. Understandable. Yet Lucas has a more cautious view on the robot agrees with the bomb. Maybe to appease Scott, but containment should be considered. I can understand if… Read more »
You seem to be overlooking that there wasn’t a unified goal. There were two very different ideas on what to do with the robot. Ethan wanted to rehabilitate Zeke. Scott wanted to destroy the robot on principle. The eventual ‘bomb to contain it / destroy it if it tries to break out’ was just the best compromise they could agree on. You’re not wrong that there are less drastic options if the goal really is to ‘contain Zeke until rehabilitated’, but that wasn’t everyone’s goal. For Scott, it was closer to ‘contain Zeke until everyone agrees it’s too dangerous to… Read more »
Except Ethan didn’t agree to it, Ethan was kept in the dark about it, while his friends compromised on the bomb, and Scott decided to also cut the other friend out when he “got soft” on the robot. (Using terms in a vein that I imagine Scott would have thought in, in reference to ZK.)
Right, my bad. Thought Ethan was initially aware as well before Lucas and Scott cut him out.
At least that doesn’t make much difference for this particular (aspect of the) discussion.
Just one little thing I’d like to see in the background would be a (updating) calendar. I love the conversations and the twists and turns this plot has put us through. I really like how the main trio all so enthusiastic about getting back to their normal routines. However, without knowing the time in between comics I feel more frustration than tension. Kinda like how would relationship milestones and holidays force us to prioritize what we want to do vs what our partners want. It’s why most modern cartoon characters feel so one dimensional, because plots get resolved so quickly… Read more »
Time to derail the serious comic. Ethan’s tent catches the gaze. Buddy invest in some better fitting pants. Lucas’s last phrase Sells it with a look!
I feel like Ethan is feeling himself a way too much here. The others are giving him too much leeway.
I appreciate that despite the discussions being more or less about the same incident, they already have different tones to illustrate their individual personalities. Scott has a lot of depression, fear, and cynicism he’s working through and that conversation held a lot of frustration. Lucas has less trauma, so this conversation is already starting with a lighter tone to reflect their friendship.
Ethan feels betrayed by both of them, Although I think he is being hard on Lucas he did take Ethan’s side over Zeke and did try to get Scott to change if not remove the bomb trigger point. Ethan doesn’t know that and at some point he may IF he really talks to Lucas about it. He’s hurting right now and if Zeke does return it’ll be a big step in the right direction.
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okay so im accessing this site on PC for the first time and suddenly theres a ton of comics I can’t see on mobile.
what the heck is going on