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June 2, 2021 by Tim


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Randalf
Randalf
4 months ago

Well.. Fortunately me and the wife bought a new house recently, so I can’t afford one anyway.

Or well, I could buy one if I found one, but then I would have to explain to the wife why I can’t chip in on any expenses.
And I like living.

Last edited 4 months ago by Randalf
locustMcGee
locustMcGee
4 months ago
Reply to  Randalf

hehheh, can’t “chip” in

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Randalf

Happy wife (or at least placated wife), happy (or at least not hazradous) life.

Maazak
Maazak
4 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Makes me wish “husband” rhymed with “life”.

GUNnibal
GUNnibal
4 months ago
Reply to  Randalf

And I like living.

Unpopular opinion

Pulse
Pulse
4 months ago

im too much of an idiot to care for these things. i just take whatever my friend is swapping out from since he loves going for top of the line parts and hands me the old ones.

Fela
Fela
4 months ago
Reply to  Pulse

Sounds like a neat arrangement. Although, it’s probably more or less just damages for having to put up with a moron friend? 😉

Pulse
Pulse
4 months ago
Reply to  Fela

and the number of times he cant play games as well as i can is surprising

7eggert
7eggert
4 months ago
Reply to  Pulse

Continue the chain like the hermit crabs do

Gerzaurich
Gerzaurich
4 months ago

What if… what if developers will optimize their games better and will concentrate on stability of the game, gameplay and plot/story, instead of graphics, that requires a computer able to fry eggs due to the heat?

Na-a-ah, that’s pretty dumb idea

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

You’re new here, aren’t you?  😄

Halosty
Halosty
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

I hear frying eggs is a good way to cut down on excess heat, actually.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Halosty

Microwaved eggs are never as good as pan fried. 😉

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Though, with multicores, maybe you could cook multiple dishes at once….

Bernie Margolis
Bernie Margolis
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

As a college student, I was under the misconception that this was how software was developed. Then I got a job in the industry and realized how wrong I was. Developers build the functionality first and adjust performance as needed. As hardware gets better, fewer adjustments are needed. This is the catch-22. Better hardware does not necessarily enable better or faster features; it just lets developers get away with shoddier work. Take heart, though. A better graphics card is always in the works. The card that you’re paying $3K for today will be available for $500 in a couple of… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Bernie Margolis
Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago

At this rate, it won’t drop so much in price, even used. In March of 2016 I paid $360 for a new “EVGA GeForce GTX 970” on newegg (970 came out in 2014). Today, I could get more for it used than I paid for it. The 4 year old 1080 still sells for over a thousand. By 2 years it should have dropped to at least $500, but it never did. How would I expect the newest to drop in price in 2 years at this rate?

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
4 months ago
Reply to  Steeeve

From what I understand the shift is basically starting to be “Buy a Pre Built PC, then rip what you need out of it because there’s no way to beat Scalper Bots”

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

Ugh, prebuilts. Q_Q

Imagine having to buy a new car just to get new tires.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago

Yep. But itt isn’t evil, it is actually a logic decision to not optimize. Optimization is finicky (I did it in the days when your processors were measured in MHz, not GHz) and hard to get just right and you can sink a lot of time into it. Having the market up the hardware in the two years of developing a class A title means you don’t have to spend that time on optimizations. And we have, since OS/2 1.0 and later Windows 3.1, that users can curse their computers but can still make do and get stuff done with… Read more »

The2ndPete
The2ndPete
4 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Oh yes, the olden days when you had a machine that was below your friends in every regard but it still managed to run SimCity2000 with less autoexec-tweaks and better performance just because your grandfather had taken the time to sit with his grandkids and go through available hardware.
…still think it was a lucky fluke but that machine was a fine piece.

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

It would be nice if some games spent a fraction of the graphics budget on actual story and immersion. Many have more in common with a great painting than a video game. There are too few games that I forget I’m not actually in the game’s world.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Steeeve

First impression, sales images and videos, and the short snippet story bits you see on steam and elsewhere to drive sales are critical. And people key more on the visuals and the neat effects and get interested in the kernel of a story they hint at. Then you buy the game and you are disappointed but often that sets in after a decent number of hours and you can’t ask for a refund. Our purchasing choices cause this ‘visual first’ focus. Story, optimization, efficiency, good design for maintainability, expandability, etc… all fall behind a good look to hook people in.… Read more »

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Problem for them is I’m not going to trust the people who made the game in the future. If it’s bad enough, I may never even consider another of their games. They think too short term or too many gamers don’t note who makes games and get tricked over and over.

Example, I won’t concider most EA games knowing there’s going to be some sort of pay to win system.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

The market doesn’t support it. I’ve worked on two games and a two massively multi-user gaming platforms. People that are willing to shell out $80 as a pre-purchase or a whack for early access and who will buy all the DLCs and shell out thousands for multiple large monitors and nuclear powered graphics cards are enough that it does impact choices for graphics capability and for eye candy over usable UI, responsiveness, network performance, building a proper state processing engine (FSM) under the whole thing, and proper threading (which takes some skills)… If you are an A (or even B)… Read more »

The Legacy
The Legacy
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

Hey now. My 10 year-old computer can run most video games made today. 😅 It’s not really necessary unless you really want the performance improvements.

Last edited 4 months ago by The Legacy
raven0ak
raven0ak
4 months ago
Reply to  Gerzaurich

hey, you’d put GPU manufacturers and engineers out of job if tech 15 years old could run best performance (thats about level of inefficiency in modern times)

MasterofBalance
MasterofBalance
4 months ago

Reminds me of Futurama where Professor Farnsworth talks about men being “superior” and that’s why everything needs to be big. He then displays his 400″ TV which immediately advertises a 402″ TV.

He shouts, “Aw Hell!” as he throws his drink at the TV, shattering it.

Marc
Marc
4 months ago

Why do I not remember this episode?

Doodm4n
Doodm4n
4 months ago
Reply to  Marc

Are we supposed to guess? Old age? Weed? Traumatic brain injury?

Markvondrake
Markvondrake
4 months ago
Reply to  Marc

It’s the start of the fourth movie, Into the Wild Green Yonder

lechuckGL
lechuckGL
4 months ago
Reply to  Marc

If I have to guess I would say your brain decided to make some space for Rick & Morty scenes. Like hard drives brain space is limited.

Haf
Haf
4 months ago

I am very happy that I was able to get my handy on an ASUS 3070 on the launch day for a not-too-much inflated price, about 110$ above the RRP.
Just the other day I read about a deal on a 3060 card in a certain shop. the reduced price was still twice the price I paid for my 3070. The current situation is really insane. If I wanted to, I could sell my used card right now for a large profit.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Haf

The insane part might be that you haven’t. 🙂

Vincent Price
Vincent Price
4 months ago

Scalping should be illegal for more than just fucking sports events. And while I heard the UK is moving towards making tech scalpers illegal, they’ll obviously be fighting an uphill battle, because why should the corporations care if the stock is being bought and flipped for higher profit as long as stock is selling out in the first place?

Vukodlak
Vukodlak
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

Its not even illegal for sporting events in many states.

Dan
Dan
4 months ago
Reply to  Vukodlak

Yeah its only illegal “within X distance of [venue]”

Robert
Robert
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

The government should stay the hell out of it. Most of the time when they do this “Anti – scalping” crap it has a detrimental effect.

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago
Reply to  Robert

I can’t think of a situation where it’d be detrimental. Can you name one?

Robert Loughrey
Robert Loughrey
4 months ago
Reply to  Steeeve

You’d have to define scalping. How do we do that? The only way to write this law is “It is now illegal to sell something for more than you paid for it.” if you did it with a law. That’s going to have huge negative effects on the housing market, any sort of collectables industry such as CCG’s , or the Art market, etc. Nvidia could do it by locking the hardware to the person that bought the card from the manufacturer, but gamer would HATE that idea. They WANT to be able to sell their old video cards later.… Read more »

Draguss
Draguss
4 months ago

I don’t think it would be that hard, the phrasing of the law just has to be properly narrow. First restrict it to electronics scalping, like how some states specifically prohibit ticket reselling. Then you simply legally define scalping as reselling certain quantities of unused products above the purchase price. It’s not exactly a hard crime to prove, so the law doesn’t need to be broad.

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago

If someone is buying houses to resell at a higher price without even fixing them up first then yes that should be illegal. That’s rather F’d up. It wouldn’t affect someone reselling their 1 property as they wouldn’t be buying every house being sold. Quantity is everything here. With collectibles, if someone is buying up new collectibles in order to resell at crazy prices then yes that should be illegal. Selling or trading a few would not be. There may be a window of time for new products where even a few might be considered scalping though. Art tends to… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Steeeve
Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
4 months ago
Reply to  Robert

I believe what you are referring obliquely to are anti-gouging laws and the handful of times it has had a detrimental effect it’s been to people trying to price gouge shit.

Like all those nice people who helpfully bought up all the toilet paper and PPE and tried re-selling it at 5-10x the price.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaitensatsuma
Helldemon
Helldemon
4 months ago
Reply to  Robert

Found the scalper

Lord Hideous
Lord Hideous
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

Making scalping illegal won’t stop it. The only thing that truly will is to get impatient idiots with more money than sense to stop buying from scalpers. Once the huge profits are gone, scalping will dry right up.

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago
Reply to  Lord Hideous

If they have more money than sense, why would they care as long as they get their card?

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Steeeve

Not maybe such a big deal with a graphics card, but definitely phones and laptops and so on could easily also have been stolen to sell.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Lord Hideous

I suppose hunting them down, draggin them in chains into a TV station, and beating them with crowbars with a promise that the same will happen to every other scalper is too barbaric and unlikely to deter because scalpers won’t believe they’ll get caught (same logic for driving like madmen in traffic these days).

The thing is you know where it happens online. You could trace it. And you could go after them. We just don’t.

lechuckGL
lechuckGL
4 months ago
Reply to  TomB

If we ever do something like that it should be with politicians, not with something as trivial as scalpers.

Kaogen
Kaogen
4 months ago
Reply to  Lord Hideous

Might not stop it, but it would seriously hinder it. Especially if they made it so the purchased products were illegal as well.
Scalpers don’t need to be stopped entirely, they just need to be put in the position where the risk isn’t worth the payoff. The main reason they’re doing it right now is because there’s almost no risk involved.

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaogen
Syb
Syb
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

When it comes to tech though, Scalpers are doing damage to the companies. Particularly console companies. Consoles are sold at lower margins or even at a loss because the real profit lies in the licensed games. Scalpers taking consoles off the market prevent people from buying the console and also preventing people from buying the games that will actually make the corporation money. And it does look like the console companies are starting to catch on to the damage scalping is doing.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Syb

Only accept pre-orders from individuals (unique credit card for every transaction). Don’t take bulk orders. And use pre-orders to guide your production runs. You’d have to have a significant back-out fee but you could surely have a production that then lined up with actual demand.

Muppet
Muppet
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

The corporations should care a great deal, because heavily inflated prices is bad marketing long term. They’re mostly lucking out this time because the chip shortage is affecting every player, including the competition.

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Muppet

Auto sector is also in a pinch which has jumped up car prices.

Did we run out of silicon for wafers? Is that a sign we need more fabs?

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

There is math behind finding the right price. They can not control the price if scalpers buy up all the inventory. In the end they’ll lose customers to their competitors and scalpers will stop buying. It’s a poor long term strategy. Many have already gone to AMD. The one to control the scalpers may be the winner in the end.

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

Its pretty tricky to illegalize selling property at a price that the other party agrees to and pays.

raven0ak
raven0ak
4 months ago
Reply to  Vincent Price

All it would take is none buy things off from scalpers…or warehouse sellers to put limitations for purchasing(latter is working in my country; we dont have amazon of other international warehouses, but local ones …and we dont have scalpers on any product)

Last edited 4 months ago by raven0ak
Vicente Sampedro Burgos
Vicente Sampedro Burgos
4 months ago

Since I use a Mac for work, I can only buy AMD hardware, I plan to buy a Radeon 6800XT between this summer and Christmas 2077

Andrew
Andrew
4 months ago

That soon?

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
4 months ago

Woof, yeah I just looked at the RX prices and even the 5000’s are priced double where they should be – if you’re lucky.

Henchman Twenty1
Henchman Twenty1
4 months ago

My PC is nine years-old. I’ve been out of work for just over a year, so I can’t afford a new one or a fancy, shiny new graphics card. Which means my PC will go kaput in 5, 4, 3…………..

TomB
TomB
4 months ago

You’re not alone, brother. I did scrounge enough for a barebones box for Xmas 2020, but that’ll be the last one for a long while. My last one is over 9 years old.

lechuckGL
lechuckGL
4 months ago
Reply to  TomB

I bought a 560GTX TI and just upgraded it last year to a 2060 SUPER. Gotta squeeze all the value from that hardware. Oh, and my rig is still using a Gen3 i5 CPU

BENJAMIN SMITH
BENJAMIN SMITH
4 months ago

The chip shortage is what finally got me to abandon console gaming. I am simply no longer interested in putting effort into finding a new console. It’s too much work.

I’ve got a “good enough” computer, and that’ll have to do. I already wasted what must add up to dozens of hours trying to find a PS5 for sale, I’m not wasting anymore. I’ll consider getting back into it when they’re actually available

DanVzare
4 months ago
Reply to  BENJAMIN SMITH

Almost everyone – “Oh no, I can’t get a brand new console as soon as it releases! That’s it, screw consoles.”

Me – “Oh a brand new console just came out. I’ll just wait three to four years for a better version to come out, the price to drop, and decent games to be released for it.”

Marth Koopa
Marth Koopa
4 months ago
Reply to  BENJAMIN SMITH

There is no reason to own a PS5 if you have a PC. Sony has finally given up on console exclusivity and within a few years they’ll be doing same-day PC/Console releases of their biggest titles

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
4 months ago
Reply to  Marth Koopa

Except Sony hasn’t and many Sony friendly companies haven’t either.

I suppose I’ll get to play the FF7 Remake when computers are able to simulate alternative universes where it was released for PC too 😄

TomB
TomB
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

I’ve been in PCland for decades. My last Console was an Atari 2600. The whole lock in thing and the signing up for season passes, Xbox live, PS5 online, etc. just said ‘don’t chase it’.

With about 100 titles in my steam list (many bought on sale a few years after they were a big thing, but still fun as they are new for me), I’ll never run short of stuff to play.

And I don’t pay anyone a seasonal pass for their games nor do I buy in-game items. (DLC I might buy for builder games like Cities:Skylines).

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

You know there will be an emulator at some point.

Kaogen
Kaogen
4 months ago
Reply to  Marth Koopa

Sony have only given up on constant lifetime exclusives. If you want most of their exclusives within a reasonable timeframe you still need the PS4/5.

Marth Koopa
Marth Koopa
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaogen

Do you people just not read posts in their entirety? Read my post again and you may find something in there that directly addresses what you’re saying and realize that your post is completely useless.

Muppet
Muppet
4 months ago
Reply to  BENJAMIN SMITH

The console is dead. It’s all about the ecosystem now, and MS has already won that battleground. A console is just another hardware option to access that. Sony will probably end up like SEGA; unless maybe they manage to *cough* re-vita-lize themselves…

Foofoo
Foofoo
4 months ago
Reply to  Muppet

The consoles are hardly dead… people don’t always want a PC for gaming, like me. In addition PS5 has about 65% of the market share vs Xbox’s X/S at about 35%. I’m sure it’ll be a long while before consoles are ‘dead.’

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
4 months ago
Reply to  Foofoo

Apparently you get downvotes for being right.

Muppet
Muppet
4 months ago
Reply to  Foofoo

The latest generation of consoles is just a neatly packaged lightweight gaming PC. It’s no longer a platform — there’s no more market for console disks, no more print, soon no more exclusive titles, … Communities are already shifting; and even the networks are systematically taking out the console-oriented branding.

chargersfan
chargersfan
4 months ago

Ethereum is moving to version 2.0, based on a PoS system, which should cause demand for cards used for crypto mining to plummet. There will probably be a glut of cheap, used cards on the market when it finally gets here, not that anyone would want to buy one used for that.

But the low demand and the glut of used, cheap cards flooding the market should lead to some decent pricing.

There’s no ETA on the upgrade, but it is expected to take a year or so.

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
4 months ago
Reply to  chargersfan

But you’ve still got the dozens of other Pump and Dump cryptocurrencies popping up and dropping down in the Meme Stock Market.

This isn’t even a bubble, this is the unironic Rocket to the Moon.

Shame that everyone on board will proverbially die.

S S
S S
4 months ago
Reply to  chargersfan

They’ve been saying it will be a year or so for many years.

Robert Loughrey
Robert Loughrey
4 months ago
Reply to  chargersfan

Plus they are approaching the finish date for mining. There’s a hard cap on how many bitcoins they want out there and its coming up. After that you can’t mine at all. We are at 18.5 million out of 21 million cap.

Last edited 4 months ago by Robert Loughrey
chargersfan
chargersfan
4 months ago

Bitcoin isn’t mined with graphics cards anymore. They have purpose-built machines for this now, called ASICs. They might be in competition on a component level, but nobody is using graphics cards to mine bitcoin anymore. You are correct that there is around 18 of the 21 million bitcoin that will ever exist already mined, but since the block rewards are cut in half about every 4 years, it will actually take nearly 100 more years to mine them all. Afterwards, miners will make money from transaction fees, which means mining will never actually go away. Ethereum and its similar currencies… Read more »

Eric J Ehlers
Eric J Ehlers
4 months ago

heh… just bc there’s a new one doesn’t mean you can get the old one. Try getting anything more impressive than a 970.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
4 months ago
Reply to  Eric J Ehlers

Wait, you can get a 970?

Kaogen
Kaogen
4 months ago

I still have my old 970 on my shelf, i think xD

Ken
Ken
4 months ago

This character looks so much like me, it’s uncanny!

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
4 months ago

Nailed it

Steeeve
Steeeve
4 months ago

LOL So true, why even bother advertising something nobody can buy.

Kaogen
Kaogen
4 months ago
Reply to  Steeeve

I can’t help but wonder if they’re taking advantage of these scalpers to hype up their cards so that when some become available people buy them almost instantly without thought, allowing them to possibly keep the cards at their max price for longer 😛

Rolz
Rolz
4 months ago

much sadness I can’t get any of them… maybe next year when stock supply gets better.

Jonathan
Jonathan
4 months ago

I can’t wait to not get one!

NiteZ
NiteZ
4 months ago

And here I am stuck with a GTX 760… sure can’t wait until something reasonably priced gets released some day. *laughs in denial*

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
4 months ago
Reply to  NiteZ

I sold my GTX 1070 at top price and now I’m playing everything (successfully) on a 560 Ti

But also, the new cards are released at reasonable prices. You just can’t beat the scalpers to it.

Last edited 4 months ago by CTOWNS
The2ndPete
The2ndPete
4 months ago

I’m pretty sure that it’s gonna release a bit of stress on the 3080.
After the reviews I saw so far the 3080Ti isn’t really worth the higher price for gaming but “if you have a processor intensive application like rendering it might make itself paid”.
Well, I know of one other thing that’s using a GPU’s cores quite a lot…

evilleet
evilleet
4 months ago

*slurps coffee*
Well, seems like i am gonna keep my 1070 for a bit longer then vOv

lechuckGL
lechuckGL
4 months ago

I managed to get my 2060 SUPER just before prices skyrocketed. Best thing is I used some giftcards I got awarded at work, so I only had to pay shipping and taxes to get it into my country. Best deal ever!

Renee_TheBae
Renee_TheBae
4 months ago

I know your memeing , but the biggest reason they are trying to push the 3080TI is because it takes almost half the memory and modules as a 3090. They can build nearly 2 3080TI’s with what is in the 3090 so this is their way of trying to help production. LTT Talks a bit about it on their channel (and I’m pretty sure they are company stock holders in the meetings?)

Gaelex
Gaelex
4 months ago

nvidia are just greedy bastards and their CEO dying to be cool with that leather jacket should worry more about stock and less about useless keynotes.