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Desperate Measures, p20

May 21, 2025 by Tim


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Chris
Chris
14 hours ago

Elijah has a point….seems he is the real hero now..

Relish
Relish
4 hours ago
Reply to  Chris

Nah, it’s a really dumb and arbitrary correlation. Almost all the shooters also watch movies and eat breakfast and ride in vehicles and have pets. There’s more shooters who use the internet and have a phone and read news headlines than there are shooters who play games. Like yeah, a lot of shooters play video games, because a lot of people play video games. Nearly everyone who eats breakfast exhibits no violent homicidal behavior afterwards. Nearly everyone who plays video games exhibits no violent homicidal behavior afterwards. Same difference. Not to mention all the people who would have committed some… Read more »

Esc
Esc
2 hours ago
Reply to  Relish

I mean the kid screamed “Fortnite rules: only one left alive!” which is a lurid statement to make and doesn’t happen here IRL. Omnitropolis celebrates wintereenmas. It’s a different reality, different rules. I don’t think Elijah is right to kill people but I’m starting to think with respect to videogames this world is not the same as ours.

Del Cox
Del Cox
24 minutes ago
Reply to  Esc

Uhh what? When was it written the shooter said anything of the sort?

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
20 minutes ago
Reply to  Esc

We’re still a long way away from video games being the cause of violent tendencies, versus violent people play games they like, because everybody plays games.

Besides. Games with realistic real-world gun violence are technically in the minority, when you compare it to all the sports, racing, RPG, sci-fi, fantasy, puzzle, farm life-simming, card battling, monster-catching, block-mining, horse-riding, animal-crossing games out there. Even if there WAS some evidence of causation, this is 100% “throwing out the baby with the bathwater” territory.

Mael
Mael
3 hours ago
Reply to  Chris

Just look at Non-US countries to see, that his statements are completely non-sense. European and Asian countries have MANY MANY more gamers and the amount of shootings per year can be counted with one hand in all those countries COMBINED.

GUNnibal
GUNnibal
14 hours ago

Panel 1: Yeah, that’s fair – Analog’s not wearing his cape this time. Or, as the cool kids say these days, Analog and D-Pad got ratioed.

Nextgener
Nextgener
13 hours ago

Gotta love straw-man argument’s. Doesn’t matter how hard you try and argue with people like this, they only see thing’s in black and white.

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
13 hours ago
Reply to  Nextgener

Not knowing the actual statistics of this city complicates things. He might be right in this fictional world.

They even have a ‘live action’ video game tournament. The city has alleged more supers than some other cities. Maybe there’s something in the water. With more superheroes and villains it might be easier to accept extreme actions. It is even acted out in real life.

Not that I personally think it, but we should be open for the possibility that this fictional universe does have this problem.

WereCatf
WereCatf
13 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

Even if he was correct about the statistics, that doesn’t mean he’s right about correlation and causation: what if it’s not the games causing violent tendencies, but instead people with violent tendencies gravitating towards violent games? People with violent tendencies will find their fix one way or another, so blaming games for it is pointless and just plain wrong; if games were not available, they’d do something else and that something else might be even worse.

Argl
Argl
13 hours ago
Reply to  WereCatf

That and also ignoring the percentage of gamers in both groups : normal kids vs shooters.

It’s like saying : look at all those shooters, 100% of them breathe oxygen and drink water, it must be what is turning them violent.

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
13 hours ago
Reply to  WereCatf

That is my exact point. There is no defending or attacking it without more information. Is there correlation? Peer reviewed studies? Payed researchers by big pharma to distract from their psychosis inducing drugs? What is the use of saying Elijah is wrong, while in their universe he might be right? His actions are questionable regardless, as it is doubtful he’ll get anywhere this way. But on this point? How can we tell that he’s wrong? Doesn’t that show our bias more, showing that we are the ones unable to listen to him? Failing to listen his perspective is also why… Read more »

Urazz
Urazz
11 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

Problem is that you can’t pin it on video games alone because anyone that plays video games also watches tv, reads books, listens to music, etc.

radar
radar
9 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

How can we tell that he’s wrong? Logically and statistically, we can’t. It is “impossible to prove a negative” as the saying goes. Even if we did the infeasible and ethically questionable type of study that could detect that video games cause violence (e.g., randomly assign children at birth to be required to play or prevented from playing video games all their lives and then wait 40 years to see if there is a difference in the proportions that commit acts of violence) and assuming that study found no relationship between video games and violence, Elijah would just poke holes… Read more »

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
8 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

You’re doing it the wrong way around. That burden of proof is on Elijah. If you want to convince anyone things work like that, prove it. Give a proper argument, backed up with evidence. Demonstrate why it is indeed true, and not the twisted logic of a man messed up by grief. For a ridiculous sounding theory like this to get credibility, the theory maker needs to bring the correlation, peer reviewed studies and at all that. It’s not the rest of the world’s responsibility to prove why someone’s delusions are indeed delusions. You’re also wrong on the ‘failing to… Read more »

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
7 hours ago
Reply to  GeorgeV

Though the burden of proof is mainly on Elijah, we can’t absolve ourselves from bringing proof. Let’s put it in another way. Say one person tells us the world is round and not flat. Sure the burden of proof is on that one person, but can we tell him the world is flat without further proof? Or maybe shaped like a banana? By making his statement uncertain you haven’t proven the opposite. We’re only saying “sorry bud, but this simply isn’t enough for any murderous action.” Which to me is a good response. And he ís giving some statistics that… Read more »

Silo267
Silo267
4 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

Its not a matter of making his statement uncertain. He had a claim. His claim is that shootings are mostly carried out by people who play video games. His claim is supported by the evidence that 1. The city has a lot of gun violence and shootings, and 2 the city is a video game hub that celebrates video games. His reasoning is that video games are related to the number of shootings in the city, and therefore killing people who sell and promote video games is a reasonable response. That’s it that’s his evidence that he has chosen to… Read more »

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
1 hour ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

I’d argue the point is mostly moot. Social issues like this can’t be conclusively ‘proven’ the way you seem to want. All we have is logic and evidence. Everything we do know suggests Elijah’s reasoning is wrong. And until other evidence shows up, there seems no reason to believe otherwise. We also can’t prove cherry puddings aren’t related to the shootings. But if someone claims cherry pudding is the cause of the shootings, they’d better make some serious case for why that somehow would be the case, because until they do there is no point listening to them. You’re ignoring… Read more »

MJC
MJC
12 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

Elijah’s not right. He admitted as much on the last page when he acknowledged that the real problems are a lack of available mental health care for people who need it and politicians that won’t enact any gun control.

The Riddler
The Riddler
4 hours ago
Reply to  MJC

Hm – yes on one and not so much on two. Gun control is just the same argument Elijah is making about video games pointed at a different ‘thing’. The emotions people feel after a shooting are raw. But unless someone is involved in the actual incident itself? There’s distance. But in spite of the distance we want to do “something”. And so distant people choose an even more distant distant solution … tell a politician to pass a gun law (or ban video games, whatever). Choosing that route effectively absolves the distant person from doing anything themselves. Instead it… Read more »

Argl
Argl
13 hours ago

“Do you think that it’s a coincidence that so many of these shooters are gamers?”

Isn’t that the easiest fallacy to disprove?

90% of the shooters are gamers? Yeah, because 90% of the kids are gamers.

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
13 hours ago
Reply to  Argl

That neither proves or disproves anything at all. Do you know if there’s confounding variables? We really don’t. So maybe video games are (part of) the cause in this fictional universe. To say it’s a fallacy shows bias

Last edited 12 hours ago by Darkhorse
Risky
Risky
12 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

Saying something is caused by something else requires proof. Saying “do you think it’s a coincidence” is a defined fallacy.

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
12 hours ago
Reply to  Risky

So how does “90% of the shooters are gamers? Yeah, because 90% of the kids are gamers.” show it’s a fallacy? At best it shows a statistic that is useless on it’s own.

LeviathanV2
LeviathanV2
12 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

Correlation does not imply causation

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
12 hours ago
Reply to  LeviathanV2

Exactly. At this point it can, or can not be causation. Without more data it is impossible to tell.

Saying “oh this is uncertain, so it must be what I think,” is wrong on so many levels. It is uncertain, so it can be either. No conclusion can be drawn.

Phire
Phire
10 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

I think you’re really not understanding the math here.

Because 90% of kids are gamers, it is EXPECTED that 90% of shooters would be gamers.

Because that’s representative of the population.

If LESS than 90% of shooters were gamers, then we’d even have to consider that video games make people LESS violent(though it’s far from proof).

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
8 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

So then what would (in your view) need to happen for a such conclusion to be drawn? Or oppositely, what could convince you that might not be as Elijah says? Because if no such conditions exist, there’s zero reason for anyone to bother arguing.

You’re correct that “this is uncertain, so it must be what I think” is wrong on many levels, but that is almost exactly what your position comes down to when you try to use the lack of ‘conclusive’ proof as an argument in favor of Elijah.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
13 minutes ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

What if we found out that 95% of school shooters wrote dark, angsty teen poetry in their journals at home? And 85% of school shooters drew dark, disturbing images of themselves, family members, friends, with blackened eyes and a bloodred sky?

Does that mean that we get to axe both English Lit and Art from all school programs? If there was a Super that was going around killing college students majoring in art and education, would we go, “Huh, you know what, he probably has a point.”?

Kenju22
Kenju22
8 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

The same way as saying that 100% of shooters are born on earth, breath oxygen and are human.

People who argue video games cause violence love to ignore the fact that the very same video games they blame are literally played world wide, yet the USA is the only country with such a massive problem.

It’s almost as though the combined number of school shootings worldwide over the last 100 years being less than the USA has per year is related to something else…gee I wonder what it could be?

Argl
Argl
10 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

It proves that saying “look at this common trait, it can’t be just a coincidence!” is bullshit, because you can just look at the other group and “prove” the opposite by the same logic. So that’s a fallacy by definition. I agree with a thing you expressed in several other comments : this is a fictional universe, and we definitely lack data to give an accurate judgement on the issue as a whole. But we can still judge some individual arguments on which we got enough information, draw parallels with our reality for some other arguments, and just extrapolate the… Read more »

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
6 hours ago
Reply to  Argl

What if 90% of people are gamers, and 99,9999999996% of shooters are gamers. A statistically significant amount. Sure you can expect the common trait with a shooter, but if practically every shooter has the common trait, it should make you scratch your head.

Still no proof, but a common trait being present doesn’t nullify the argument. Games were present, so it could be a cause.

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
44 minutes ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

That’s still meaningless correlation when you’re not even trying to explain the non-gaming shooters, as well as myriad of non-shooting gamers.

If you want to argue how gaming causes shooting, you also need to explain why it’s so common for it to not cause shootings. And if you can find some notable difference between non-shooting and shooting gamers, that’s probably a much better place to look for the cause of shootings.

Greevar
Greevar
9 hours ago
Reply to  Darkhorse

It’s easy to blame violent games when there are millions upon millions of kids who play them. It’s statistically inevitable, not causal. By the same flawed logic, you can say that 100% of active shooters eat food. It must be food that is causing the violence!!! If violent games had any casual effect on people, there would be millions of kids playing real life GTA. Yet, there isn’t. It’s small minds assuming without any real evidence that anything containing violence must cause violence itself. Negative material conditions cause violence. Economic, social, mental health stressors, and actual violence cause violent behavior.… Read more »

Cyrad
Cyrad
12 hours ago

Mr. Elijah, I think you need education on the difference between causation and correlation. And hypocrisy while you’re at it.

ears
ears
11 hours ago

Do you think it’s a coincidence that so many of these shooters eat food? This city idolizes eating, there are supermarkets and restaurants and even freaking cafes!

(Sarcasm)

The Legacy
The Legacy
7 hours ago
Reply to  ears

You’re not wrong. This is also a discussion as old as time. Before video games, it was violence on TV. Before TV, it was violence in movies. Before movies, it was violence in books. 🙃

Dagroth
Dagroth
10 hours ago

At first I wondered, if Ethan changed his mind about protecting the games in the warehouse (since as seen here https://cad-comic.com/comic/desperate-measures-p15/ he didn’t mind too much if something would happen to their stock), but then remembered the place probably has security, who would get into Elijah’s way and possibly be killed. And that’s what Ethan would like to stop, the stock probably not being too important to him.

Phire
Phire
10 hours ago

71% of Americans are gamers of some sort or another. So the idea that “most of them are gamers”, is, in fact, an unsurprising coincidence, since, you know, most of the population is also a gamer.

Elijah is just coming across as really dumb at this point.

That isn’t to say he’s not a believable character though.

I mean, LOTS of people are as dumb as he is, he just happened to get super powers that turned him from stupid, to super stupid.

Greevar
Greevar
9 hours ago
Reply to  Phire

If 0.1% of people who play violent games become shooters, that’s just a statistical inevitability. If violent games make people into killers, then Guitar Hero makes people into rock stars. Pokemon should make kids start underground cock fights. Flight sim games should make kids want to do another 9/11! We don’t believe these things, because we don’t fear these things happening. However, when a game does something that is within the capability of every human being, it somehow becomes a valid scapegoat.

The Legacy
The Legacy
7 hours ago
Reply to  Greevar

Very true. I mean, some people think those with autism are capable of serious evil because of the actions of one person during Sandy Hook. But a vast majority of those with autism would never do such a thing.

Figgly
Figgly
9 hours ago

Breaking news! It was revealed that the latest BadMan of the week was an enjoyer of McDonalds food!

Conclusion: McDonalds causes BadMen to exist and cause violence!

That’s you Elija. That’s what you sound like.

The Legacy
The Legacy
7 hours ago
Reply to  Figgly

What’s scary is that there is legitimately a not so small group of people out there who legitimately think like Elijah. And some of those people have guns.

Crestlinger
Crestlinger
8 hours ago

ESRB would like a word with this one. Specifically, about how many ‘adults only’ games it has allowed

Neon
Neon
7 hours ago

Did anyone tell Elijah the percentage of shooters that drank water? Ate bread?

He even aknowledged that a gaming is more popular in Omnitropolis than anywhere else, so of course more shooter from Omnitropolis are gamers. Correlation does not imply causation Elijah.

And of course someone with the tendency to run amok is most likely to be drawn to violence in general.

Last edited 7 hours ago by Neon
Steve
Steve
6 hours ago

Let’s hope Lucas had a backup plan here… although I doubt Scott can build time dilation fields.

Maybe the warehouse has 5 inch thick steel walls that drop down when there’s an intruder?

Phaet
Phaet
6 hours ago

What if in the end it turns out he’s right?

Daniel
Daniel
5 hours ago
Reply to  Phaet

In what? That videogames create have correlation with violence in the public, and that this correlation is causation? If he’ll prove without any doubt that certain games have high chance (not higher chance, that means nothing) to corrupt a kid? Then they’ll start treating it as a drug, and the reaction will be between a warning label and awareness campaigns to make it illegal. Right now his claims are weak: there is some noticeable correlation, so there is some causation, so videogames are the only changeable parameter in this equation, and so killing lot of store owners will save the… Read more »

KaaosKeiju
KaaosKeiju
5 hours ago
Reply to  Phaet

I guess you could say that video games made him violent, without him even playing.

Cmd1095
Cmd1095
5 hours ago

Elijah might wanna start wondering if the reason so many shooters are revealed to be gamers is because the media wants to direct attention away from the other “coincidences.” Video games are a scapegoat and dude is falling for it hook line and sinker despite knowing there’s bigger systemic issues also at play. Makes it really hard to sympathize with him the same way as the first time

But then again, that is very much the point of writing him this way

Derptastic
Derptastic
2 hours ago

Are Elijah’s speed powers slightly nerfed or is he holding back for some reason? He definitely felt faster on the first encounter. Like, not being able to see his movement, faster.

The Riddler
The Riddler
11 minutes ago
Reply to  Derptastic

Yeah in the first encounter they couldn’t even see him and all they got was a ‘swish’ noise.