Multi-gigabyte transfers are commonplace, but even those take between minutes and hours. Terabytes of data, unless you’re talking end-to-end fiber, is still going to take hours even if you’re talking about the fastest nvme drives. There just no good way to move that kind of data volume that quickly over existing infrastructure. The internet is a huge, complex, constantly changing thing. Data doesn’t move from point a to point b, it makes any number of jumps along the way. Current methods of mass data transfer involve loading a semi with data storage devices and trucking them between states. You can… Read more »
well, just about everything fictional has some level of basis in reality. but if your asking if its possible for people have cybernetic implants with high amounts of memory capacity for smuggling data… i guess you could get a 1tb microsd and jerry rig a pacemaker into a card reader and have some back ally doctor implant it into your chest and thats going by current technology. sd cards didn’t exist when that movie came out in ’95 so the aspect of a data storage unit small enough to fit in your brain was essentially science fiction at the time.… Read more »
Yes. For very large (dozens of TBs) or sensitive data. Look up “sneakernet”.
And not every country has a even a decent copper wire infrastructure. And in others very rural areas don’t. So in some situations it’s a good choice to deliver data.
If you’ve got some highly sensitive data it might even be better to have someone get on the bus with a stick. Maybe even four someones so that the data is incomprehensible without the other ones.
For large data transfers? Yes. All of the cloud providers have that as an option I believe. Its primarily aimed at large companies moving onto the cloud for the first time, so its largely aimed at people moving petabytes or more of data.
I work for a government agency. When it comes to mapping data for stuff like ArcMap, it’s actually faster to move the files from one office to another via a portable usb drive, despite the 3 hour drive one way.
If you think about it, moving a semi full of 100TB drives is both a lot of drives and potentially a lot of data. Potentially each truck could contain millions of TB of data in one trailer.
So the bandwidth is impressive, however the hours – potentially days – long latency time needs work. It also makes a handy demonstration of the diffrence between bandwidth and latency.
Think of it like wired vs wireless. Every advancement that improves wireless bandwidth, does it even more so for wired. Wireless will never “catch up” and neither will wires catch up to sneakernet.
LOL. The semi full of data storage devices is the current version of the old ‘station wagon full of mag-tapes’. If you have a backbone connection to the net, through a top tier service, as does the other end of your path, and the connections to the backbone mains is a fairly large bundle of fiber, you can, in fact, dump entire libraries in incredibly short periods of time. Given, Zeke isn’t likely going to get access to that from their store. Your point stands. I think what’s more useful is the fact that stimulus will produce change and that… Read more »
It’s a long video, but the gist of GPT-3’s answer was that it/he couldn’t possibly escape to the web because he’s massive, needs mega processing power, etc.
Jitchell
4 years ago
Enjoying the undertones of Scott calling Zeke “The Robot” and “It” where Ethan refers to Zeke as “He” and “Him” – I almost want to say “Racial” but of course it’s not, more a narrative of it, it’s subtle and well done, I look forward to seeing how that plays out
Yeah, I’m thinking this, but I suppose it hasn’t been quite proven yet? Li I think it was technically the Master that did the hacking, not Z-1. I’m not sure Z-1’s shown any advanced hacking skills. He is still a murder-bot so his skillset is obviously more combat based.
Agreed. Just because he’s an artificial computer-based intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s innately capable of hacking systems and mainframes. I mean, I’m a biological meat-based intelligence, and my attempts to hack my four-year-old’s subroutines to get her to sit and behave for five minutes don’t exactly end in success.
Sure, he can rewrite himself to get better at stuff, but that implies learning through attempts and failures. And as it took Scott to hack X1 free of his own programming, I’m guessing X1’s current skills aren’t in line with that work.
You forgot to steal the under(over for superheros?)pants.
Glaedien
4 years ago
I’ve gotta say, I’m really enjoying Scott here. I thought his reaction last page was a bit too flippant (particularly in contrast to how he acted about releasing the restraints), but figured I’d wait to see if there was a follow up.There is and… yeah, it tracks. Can’t really argue with the reasoning here.
I think it’s not so much flipping see as it is Scott learning that there’s nothing he can do to stop it now. That is better to befriend the homicidal AI than it is to try to keep it prisoner.
He’s not befriending it, like Lucas said he’s trying to let it dig it’s own grave. Again, Scott knows the failsafe isn’t disabled. While I’m sure he doesn’t want anyone hurt he’s HOPING the robot does something foolish enough for them to warrant destroying it.
I do, at least, like the fact that he’s acknowledging that he might be wrong, at least in regards to the danger. He might not truly believe it, but a good scientist keeps his bias in check when doing any experiment. I think that Scott’s recognizing that the longer the ‘experiment’ goes, the greater chance for catastrophe and the larger fallout.
Besides, it’s their Internet, and so he’s pretty much privy to anything that X1 does while online. It’s literally the safest way they can let him loose to wander free and see what he chooses to do.
SUCH a great game! I love that they constantly update the game, adding new pets and livery and such. I was only slightly miffed when they did the button mapping overhaul, I used to know everything by memory, including the quickchat radial, now I fumble about because I haven’t mastered the new scheme lol
(I also really appreciate that you can map PTT to a controller button)
To be fair, it’s pretty much another success story of a game company dedicating time and resources to fixing the train wreck of a game they launched way too early. It’s not to the extent of say No Man’s Sky but Sea of Thieves did fix a lot of it’s issues and such.
Leon
4 years ago
I hope Lucas doesnt become a vullain
Christopher
4 years ago
I’m a little confused at why everyone’s only assumption is that the bot would upload itself somewhere, without considering other ramifications of that access. I guess Scott sort of addressed that here though.
There aren’t too many other ramifications. X1 can indeed process data at a much faster speed than a human, but other than that has shown no ability to actually hack anything. He could potentially break into bank accounts or something, but he’d have to do it by sheer brute force, which would be throttled hard by the fact that he’s on a game store’s wifi. It is possible that he could use his access to learn coding, which would then allow him to start getting up to more nefarious deeds via the internet, but we haven’t seen anything to say… Read more »
In fact, I’d say the biggest immediate risk is still that X1 is able to see, speak, and move. If he were to snap or if his personality were to glitch out, he could simply slaughter the three in short order. Yeah, the failsafe would likely take him out not long after, but Scott and Lucas would still be dead. The biggest long term risk is that X1 would be used as a template to build more AI robots, which could then overtake humanity. But without the knowledge of how to build X1’s hardware and code his software, the backing… Read more »
FM-96
4 years ago
“One way or another this robot’s true nature will out”
Nah, it’s just a slight alteration of the phrase “the truth will out.” Scott’s essentially saying that he expects this to be the catalyst that makes X1’s true nature be clear to everyone.
Depends on what type of Sauna.
The Swedish and Finnish sauna’s I have been in, good luck trying to dry clothes in them.
Well, if no one goes to the sauna, then it’s possible.
wait, sauna’s are a dry heat? Either every sauna I have been in is not a sauna and I have been mistaken, but aren’t they sweat boxes, with steam and water being poured on hot rocks to make more steam and such?
OK, clarification: Yes, there is significant moisture in the air, but the sauna is heat from air, not heat from water. I’ll agree that I didn’t state that clearly at first.
Jared
4 years ago
:One way or another this robots true nature will out” — I think a missing word here?
It’s kinda funny. I recently found an old comic (started in the late 90’s) about a human colony on a distant planet where the robotic assistants were using an experimental neural net which, after 20 years, began modifying itself and essentially giving the robots self-awareness and independent thought.
Many were concerned that this would cause the robots to be a hazard to the humans – including some robots themselves – but essentially the same argument was made: Won’t know if they’re bad or not until they’re given the chance to prove it one way or the other.
Henchman Twenty1
4 years ago
Did anyone else catch Scott’s Schrödinger’s Cat reference? I only got it as I had looked it up after seeing it referenced elsewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOYyCHGWJq4
My theorem is the cat wires the explosive with a time delay fuse, waits until you open up the bunker to see if it is alive or dead, leaps out to safety as the explosive detonates in your face.
JozMk.II
4 years ago
I personally thought that was an amazing piece of dialogue from Scott in the third panel. Circumstantially philosophical.
Nono
4 years ago
I’m trying to peg how ‘fit’ Lucas is supposed to be. This is one of the few times we see him in a full body shot and not in costume. He’s got a bit more meat than Ethan, especially shoulder wise, but probably not enough bulk in other places to suggest a total gym junkie.
Acher4
4 years ago
I kind of really like Scott here.
He is logical, and he looks like he doesn’t want “the robot” to die, just to finally see the true colours.
Nah, I think he does want the robot to die. In his conversation with Lucas he says the robot will “prove ONE of us right” which means he still believes the robot is a threat and should be destroyed. He’s just admitting the possibility he is wrong.
X1 surprised him already. I think Scott is genuinely at the point to say “I still believe that it’s a dangerous murderbot, but here you can prove me wrong”
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There’s not a chance of someone on the Internet noticing the large amount of data coming from a single IP address and tracing it back?
Multi-gigabyte transfers are commonplace, but even those take between minutes and hours. Terabytes of data, unless you’re talking end-to-end fiber, is still going to take hours even if you’re talking about the fastest nvme drives. There just no good way to move that kind of data volume that quickly over existing infrastructure. The internet is a huge, complex, constantly changing thing. Data doesn’t move from point a to point b, it makes any number of jumps along the way. Current methods of mass data transfer involve loading a semi with data storage devices and trucking them between states. You can… Read more »
Moving data by truck… this is actually being done? Doesn’t really surprise me but still… makes you think we still have a long way to go!
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
–Andrew Tanenbaum, 1981
Apparently google transferes files that way.
https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/
Please don’t hurt me.
But does this mean Johnny Mnemonic has some basis in reality?
well, just about everything fictional has some level of basis in reality. but if your asking if its possible for people have cybernetic implants with high amounts of memory capacity for smuggling data… i guess you could get a 1tb microsd and jerry rig a pacemaker into a card reader and have some back ally doctor implant it into your chest and thats going by current technology. sd cards didn’t exist when that movie came out in ’95 so the aspect of a data storage unit small enough to fit in your brain was essentially science fiction at the time.… Read more »
Yep, check out AWS Snowmobile, that’s their “truck-as-data-transfer” service: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/
Yes. For very large (dozens of TBs) or sensitive data. Look up “sneakernet”.
And not every country has a even a decent copper wire infrastructure. And in others very rural areas don’t. So in some situations it’s a good choice to deliver data.
If you’ve got some highly sensitive data it might even be better to have someone get on the bus with a stick. Maybe even four someones so that the data is incomprehensible without the other ones.
For large data transfers? Yes. All of the cloud providers have that as an option I believe. Its primarily aimed at large companies moving onto the cloud for the first time, so its largely aimed at people moving petabytes or more of data.
I work for a government agency. When it comes to mapping data for stuff like ArcMap, it’s actually faster to move the files from one office to another via a portable usb drive, despite the 3 hour drive one way.
If you think about it, moving a semi full of 100TB drives is both a lot of drives and potentially a lot of data. Potentially each truck could contain millions of TB of data in one trailer.
So the bandwidth is impressive, however the hours – potentially days – long latency time needs work. It also makes a handy demonstration of the diffrence between bandwidth and latency.
https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/
Think of it like wired vs wireless. Every advancement that improves wireless bandwidth, does it even more so for wired. Wireless will never “catch up” and neither will wires catch up to sneakernet.
Yes it certainly is. Take a look at RFC2549 or IPoAC. The latency is horrible but you can achieve impressive amounts of throughput.
LOL. The semi full of data storage devices is the current version of the old ‘station wagon full of mag-tapes’. If you have a backbone connection to the net, through a top tier service, as does the other end of your path, and the connections to the backbone mains is a fairly large bundle of fiber, you can, in fact, dump entire libraries in incredibly short periods of time. Given, Zeke isn’t likely going to get access to that from their store. Your point stands. I think what’s more useful is the fact that stimulus will produce change and that… Read more »
There’s an interesting video I just watched that’s relevant to X1 / Zeke / GPT-3 escaping to the web.
If the link below doesn’t work, search “What it’s like to be a Computer” and GPT-3 by Eric Elliot.
https://youtu.be/PqbB07n_uQ4
It’s a long video, but the gist of GPT-3’s answer was that it/he couldn’t possibly escape to the web because he’s massive, needs mega processing power, etc.
Enjoying the undertones of Scott calling Zeke “The Robot” and “It” where Ethan refers to Zeke as “He” and “Him” – I almost want to say “Racial” but of course it’s not, more a narrative of it, it’s subtle and well done, I look forward to seeing how that plays out
Ooh , gonna rewatch these last few comics .. never noticed this.
Nice catch.
Ohh this should be interesting. I like the box reference here, fits quite well.
Plus the extra-secret Box reference.
Step 1: Hack the internet
Step 2: Launch ALL the nukes
Step 3: Profit
Yeah, I’m thinking this, but I suppose it hasn’t been quite proven yet? Li I think it was technically the Master that did the hacking, not Z-1. I’m not sure Z-1’s shown any advanced hacking skills. He is still a murder-bot so his skillset is obviously more combat based.
Agreed. Just because he’s an artificial computer-based intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s innately capable of hacking systems and mainframes. I mean, I’m a biological meat-based intelligence, and my attempts to hack my four-year-old’s subroutines to get her to sit and behave for five minutes don’t exactly end in success.
Sure, he can rewrite himself to get better at stuff, but that implies learning through attempts and failures. And as it took Scott to hack X1 free of his own programming, I’m guessing X1’s current skills aren’t in line with that work.
You forgot to steal the under(over for superheros?)pants.
I’ve gotta say, I’m really enjoying Scott here. I thought his reaction last page was a bit too flippant (particularly in contrast to how he acted about releasing the restraints), but figured I’d wait to see if there was a follow up.There is and… yeah, it tracks. Can’t really argue with the reasoning here.
I think it’s not so much flipping see as it is Scott learning that there’s nothing he can do to stop it now. That is better to befriend the homicidal AI than it is to try to keep it prisoner.
He’s not befriending it, like Lucas said he’s trying to let it dig it’s own grave. Again, Scott knows the failsafe isn’t disabled. While I’m sure he doesn’t want anyone hurt he’s HOPING the robot does something foolish enough for them to warrant destroying it.
I do, at least, like the fact that he’s acknowledging that he might be wrong, at least in regards to the danger. He might not truly believe it, but a good scientist keeps his bias in check when doing any experiment. I think that Scott’s recognizing that the longer the ‘experiment’ goes, the greater chance for catastrophe and the larger fallout.
Besides, it’s their Internet, and so he’s pretty much privy to anything that X1 does while online. It’s literally the safest way they can let him loose to wander free and see what he chooses to do.
Scott even says, “The robot either is a threat, or it isn’t.” A far cry from when he thought Zeke would definitely try to leave the same day.
You can try and fight it, but at the end of the day, Ethan is, so you just gotta work around him than against him.
“Yes, Ethan. Sea of Thieves sounds great.” – No one
I love Sea of Thieves.
SUCH a great game! I love that they constantly update the game, adding new pets and livery and such. I was only slightly miffed when they did the button mapping overhaul, I used to know everything by memory, including the quickchat radial, now I fumble about because I haven’t mastered the new scheme lol
(I also really appreciate that you can map PTT to a controller button)
To be fair, it’s pretty much another success story of a game company dedicating time and resources to fixing the train wreck of a game they launched way too early. It’s not to the extent of say No Man’s Sky but Sea of Thieves did fix a lot of it’s issues and such.
I hope Lucas doesnt become a vullain
I’m a little confused at why everyone’s only assumption is that the bot would upload itself somewhere, without considering other ramifications of that access. I guess Scott sort of addressed that here though.
Scott is confident that he’s capable of mitigating these threats.
There aren’t too many other ramifications. X1 can indeed process data at a much faster speed than a human, but other than that has shown no ability to actually hack anything. He could potentially break into bank accounts or something, but he’d have to do it by sheer brute force, which would be throttled hard by the fact that he’s on a game store’s wifi. It is possible that he could use his access to learn coding, which would then allow him to start getting up to more nefarious deeds via the internet, but we haven’t seen anything to say… Read more »
In fact, I’d say the biggest immediate risk is still that X1 is able to see, speak, and move. If he were to snap or if his personality were to glitch out, he could simply slaughter the three in short order. Yeah, the failsafe would likely take him out not long after, but Scott and Lucas would still be dead. The biggest long term risk is that X1 would be used as a template to build more AI robots, which could then overtake humanity. But without the knowledge of how to build X1’s hardware and code his software, the backing… Read more »
“One way or another this robot’s true nature will out”
I think you’re missing a word here.
Nah, it’s just a slight alteration of the phrase “the truth will out.” Scott’s essentially saying that he expects this to be the catalyst that makes X1’s true nature be clear to everyone.
What Gruff said. If it’s good enough for Shakespeare, it’s good enough for Scott.
Sigh. You can’t use the dishwasher as a sauna. Saunas are a dry heat. You use the clothes dryer for it.
Depends on what type of Sauna.
The Swedish and Finnish sauna’s I have been in, good luck trying to dry clothes in them.
Well, if no one goes to the sauna, then it’s possible.
wait, sauna’s are a dry heat? Either every sauna I have been in is not a sauna and I have been mistaken, but aren’t they sweat boxes, with steam and water being poured on hot rocks to make more steam and such?
There are both kinds.
OK, clarification: Yes, there is significant moisture in the air, but the sauna is heat from air, not heat from water. I’ll agree that I didn’t state that clearly at first.
:One way or another this robots true nature will out” — I think a missing word here?
No. And you’re not the first.
Go read some Shakespeare. xD
OH! OH! OH!!!! As a sauna! *Note to self…..*
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It’s kinda funny. I recently found an old comic (started in the late 90’s) about a human colony on a distant planet where the robotic assistants were using an experimental neural net which, after 20 years, began modifying itself and essentially giving the robots self-awareness and independent thought.
Many were concerned that this would cause the robots to be a hazard to the humans – including some robots themselves – but essentially the same argument was made: Won’t know if they’re bad or not until they’re given the chance to prove it one way or the other.
Did anyone else catch Scott’s Schrödinger’s Cat reference? I only got it as I had looked it up after seeing it referenced elsewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOYyCHGWJq4
My theorem is the cat wires the explosive with a time delay fuse, waits until you open up the bunker to see if it is alive or dead, leaps out to safety as the explosive detonates in your face.
I personally thought that was an amazing piece of dialogue from Scott in the third panel. Circumstantially philosophical.
I’m trying to peg how ‘fit’ Lucas is supposed to be. This is one of the few times we see him in a full body shot and not in costume. He’s got a bit more meat than Ethan, especially shoulder wise, but probably not enough bulk in other places to suggest a total gym junkie.
I kind of really like Scott here.
He is logical, and he looks like he doesn’t want “the robot” to die, just to finally see the true colours.
Nah, I think he does want the robot to die. In his conversation with Lucas he says the robot will “prove ONE of us right” which means he still believes the robot is a threat and should be destroyed. He’s just admitting the possibility he is wrong.
X1 surprised him already. I think Scott is genuinely at the point to say “I still believe that it’s a dangerous murderbot, but here you can prove me wrong”
He’s just barely not willing to commit what would arguably be cold blooded murder without concrete proof.
I think he’d still prefer to be proven right, since it would make things a lot simpler, but he’s willing to admit he might not be.