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Surrender, p12

December 27, 2023 by Tim


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Bogdan
Bogdan
2 months ago

Old trolling the troll trick

P2Mc28
P2Mc28
2 months ago

I love the way Ethan finally broke though the Troll’s nonsense. Like, he gave in, took a breath, and suddenly… “yeah wow this guy is just an idiot, let’s just figure out the solution now.”

Also – Ethan’s eyes just look a bit off in the last panel. And I’m sorry if it’s one of those things where you just struggled forever with and for some reason it just never came out right and I just pointed it out, but I hope it’s instead a “it’s the holiday break it’s not worth fixing, family more important” lol.

Esc
Esc
2 months ago

Good call Ethan. What, if anything, does the Troll even want him to do here? Yeah he’ll do whatever to stop him “killing the hostages” so what? Yeah he could let it go at a moment’s notice for no reason. So do you not need Ethan? Seems like The Troll really was banking on Ethan flipping out and being able to blame hostage deaths on him or something.

Don’t forget that vial though.

Nightdagger
Nightdagger
2 months ago
Reply to  Esc

That’s my take on it. The Troll was planning on killing the hostages all along and was banking on Ethan trying to be a “real” hero so he could blame the deaths on him. Instead, Ethan chose to be a REAL hero and played along to save the hostages, so now when the Troll kills them, he’s entirely the one to blame and his entire disinformation campaign against Ethan is exposed as exactly what it is.

He’s already lost. And he’s MAD about it.

reshad
reshad
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc

He wants to be killed and ruin Analog forever. Same motivation as the Joker. Funny thing is that Analog who Laughs is old universe Ethan but psycho.

Last edited 1 month ago by reshad
Nextgener
Nextgener
2 months ago

huuuuh…can’t tell if Ethan is purposely reverse trolling or just being Ethan.

Wildcard
Wildcard
2 months ago
Reply to  Nextgener

I’m thinking Ethan being Ethan. He maybe able to troll someone about Video games or pop culture but he doesn’t have the mind set or attitude to do it in the situation like this.

Vukodlak
Vukodlak
2 months ago
Reply to  Nextgener

Both my friend both.

JozMk.II
JozMk.II
2 months ago
Reply to  Nextgener

I think he’s just being Ethan now, with his anger now gone. The Troll forced Ethan’s sister to the forefront of his mind, which is clearly more important to Ethan than his own hatred of the Troll. Ethan knows that focusing on his own anger towards the Troll right now would only make it impossible to do what he’s deemed necessary to save those hostages. Thus, his focus is now on his sister; Those hostages; His sworn duty to protect and save lives. That’s what’s defeating the Troll right now; Ethan doesn’t care about him right now, and so he’s… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by JozMk.II
Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
2 months ago
Reply to  JozMk.II

Eh, I think there’s still a little reverse-trolling there. He’s saying the words, but not acting the part. He’s not, in fact, “crying and begging.”

If you screwed up something and hurt your SO, and are trying to give an apology, there’s a huge difference between heartfelt saying “I am so, so sorry,” and in saying monotone, deadpan, “I am so, so sorry.”

Blobsy
Blobsy
2 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

To be fair, he had already given the heartfelt apology, but that was rejected.

Gonfrask
Gonfrask
2 months ago

I have lost the line of my speech, so please, shut up and let me end it.

Nightdagger
Nightdagger
2 months ago

So anyone want to give me an over-under on another super hero coming up and forcibly disarming (perhaps literally) The Troll while Ethan has him completely and entirely distracted from everything in the world except for trying to get a rise out of him?

Xenneth
Xenneth
2 months ago

Now I’m curious if there even are any hostages.

Brian
Brian
2 months ago
Reply to  Xenneth

I’m curious what or who is behind The Troll, because I get the feeling there’s someone there.

Vukodlak
Vukodlak
2 months ago
Reply to  Brian

Its Lucas’s arrow levitating Sam aka Gameboy into position to pause the Troll.

Last edited 2 months ago by Vukodlak
Steve
Steve
2 months ago
Reply to  Vukodlak

Do we know how long Gameboy’s pauses last? If he paused someone and then died, would they be paused forever? Does time pass for the immobilized? Are they aware of what’s happening around them?

The ultimate troll would be to pause the troll and lock him inside his own head forever, assuming it doesn’t run out and he isn’t going to starve to death.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
2 months ago
Reply to  Steve

We see eyes moving and nothing else when Sam pauses someone, so I’m going to assume that time passes for them and they’re aware.

And you haven’t described “the ultimate troll,” but a classic “fate worse than death.” Being trapped, alone, in your own mind, without being able to act or move or die, for all eternity, is an ultimate inhumane torture. It’s the kind of eternal hell that I wouldn’t wish on even a garden-variety psychopath.

Richard II Weatherfield
Richard II Weatherfield
1 month ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

TVTropes calls this the “And I Must Scream.” Named for Harlon Ellison’s “I Have no Mouth and I Must Scream,” a short story wherein the Human narrator is turned into an amorphous blob by a sadistic and insane supercomputer and tortured for eternity that cannot scream because it does not have a mouth.

The Troll deserves worse, but I’ll be satisfied if this is his fate.

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve

When you paused your Gameboy and died, what happened? That’s right, the batteries ran out and the Gameboy died, too!

Last edited 1 month ago by CTOWNS
Mike
Mike
2 months ago
Reply to  Vukodlak

You mean Troll’s last panel? That’s a regular star.

Vukodlak
Vukodlak
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike

No the yellow light below him

this thing doesn't remember anymore
this thing doesn't remember anymore
1 month ago
Reply to  Vukodlak

Just lights coming out of building windows, go back a page

Helldemon
Helldemon
1 month ago
Reply to  Vukodlak

Figured that was just the lights from the police below.

Mastacheata
Mastacheata
1 month ago
Reply to  Helldemon

Looks like it’s just the normal city lighting as shown in the previous episodes.

Daniel
Daniel
2 months ago
Reply to  Xenneth

Well, last time the troll was around with literally two hanged hostages with bombs attached, and only the cops appeared. Now the city got an official super to the location, so I guess there are. It’s also might be hard to fake an hostages situation if no one on the city is reported missing

Mike
Mike
2 months ago
Reply to  Daniel

THERE! WERE! THREE! HOSTAGES! (Each representing a console.)

Brian
Brian
2 months ago
Reply to  Mike

There was supposed to be a fourth for PC gaming also but (As Troll put it) that one suffered an accident…

kaladorn
kaladorn
1 month ago
Reply to  Daniel

The other (newly introduced? at least I’d not seen them before) could be working on freeing the hostages while Ethan keeps the Troll’s attention.

Potatohead
Potatohead
2 months ago

We’ve still got Chekov’s Glowing Sludge Vial sitting on the mantelpiece, so this can’t be over yet…

Kasey
Kasey
2 months ago

Definitely getting “burn time while hostages are located” vibes here. I have to hope the cops and other supes are doing something right now.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kasey
Blue Griffin
Blue Griffin
2 months ago
Reply to  Kasey

Right. There are two supers that can be helping do something. I hope we’ll see what they have been doing soon.

Aeroprism
Aeroprism
2 months ago

That moment where Analog+D-Pad reaches a level of story-quality that easily beats all other big commercial comics.

Eagerly following this episode. Can’t wait for part 13.

Nibelung
Nibelung
1 month ago
Reply to  Aeroprism

To be fair, *most* webcomics that go long enough for the creator to learn from themselves, tend to be better than mainstream commercial comics from the simple fact that they are writing out of love for their characters, and not solely for a paycheck at the end of the month.

Aeroprism
Aeroprism
1 month ago
Reply to  Nibelung

That is 150% accurate. Tim has been giving endlessly for so long now. I was there on day 1 and I can’t quite imagine my internet without C-A-D.

leduk
leduk
1 month ago
Reply to  Aeroprism

idk what kind of comics you’re reading, but not really no. This is pretty good but there are awesome commercial comics.

OliGagnon
OliGagnon
2 months ago

Two things left to solve:

1) The missing tooth of The Troll has moved from tooth #10 to tooth #12 between Infernal Demons P.25 and now. So it is not The Troll or there was some artistic freedom going.

2) In Infernal Demons P. 25, The Troll has a surprise green juice cartridge for Ethan. This trump card has yet to be mentioned or used. If it is The Troll, he can either turn off Ethan’s power or trollify Ethan. If he is not the troll, it explains why there is no cartridge around.

Arcatus
Arcatus
1 month ago
Reply to  OliGagnon

But is it established that the Troll is aware of Ethan’s power?

Not That Brian
Not That Brian
1 month ago
Reply to  OliGagnon

1) Probably a minor artistic mistake. These are drawn you know, by hand.

2) I think it’s pretty well assumed the green juice cartridge was the acid that the troll got dropped in. I’m wondering if the dead man’s switch isn’t actually going to kill hostages, but rather release that acid all over that rooftop?

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
2 months ago

Troll is confused, Troll injures itself in it’s confusion

All too common, really.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kaitensatsuma
jack
jack
2 months ago

ok, i’m curious. when is lucas going to pull a hancock on this dude?

Adaon
Adaon
1 month ago

Ethan may be doing this on purpose or just being Ethan – but by the God of Gaming, he is doing GREAT.

Crestlinger
Crestlinger
1 month ago

Analog uses Confusion! It’s Effective!

J.D.
J.D.
1 month ago

Don’t feed the troll indeed.
hes still just bantering i doubt there are any hostages

Rolando
Rolando
1 month ago

The so-called “Troll,” is just another psycho with a theme. Real, smart trolls don’t care. Their whole point, is making others care while they enjoy not caring at all. That guy, is just another poser among many. Only difference is, his need to act it out is so extreme he became a serial killer. He clearly cares SO MUCH, and is SO desperate for attention and for things to work exactly the way he wants them to… He’s crossed all lines. He’s obsessed with ritual and stuck in a superiority complex, like many other psychos. He’s just not functional nor… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Rolando
Scarsdale
Scarsdale
1 month ago
Reply to  Rolando

I do agree, he’s not a true troll, but he is living in a fantasy world where he’ll publicly destroy who he deems deserving, and the whole world appreciates his brilliance and skill. The only reason he’s after Ethan is he blames him for “ruining” his chance at glory, and that the troll’s actions resulted in his being badly disfigured. Like so many people, when something doesn’t go to plan, it’s always someone else’s fault.

Pulse
Pulse
1 month ago

hah seems like ethan has finally done the right thing, been himself and accidentally troll the troll

ears
ears
1 month ago

Plot twist: the hostages are all those discord “troll community” members

Foxhood
Foxhood
1 month ago

Honestly that would be the lamest thing to do as a Troll. As that isn’t trolling, just being a petty crook with hostages. Unworthy of being seen as a villain with a gimmick and a disgrace to trollkind.

David
David
1 month ago

I think this is it. The troll wanted an honest reaction from Analog. This is his honest reaction. My long shot bet is the troll just gives up in the next strip (or maybe two if there’s a lot of dialogue)

Kevin Greenbaum
Kevin Greenbaum
1 month ago

Moment Ethan dropped to his knees and decided to just play along with it the Troll lost. Ethan can’t fight him for fear of the Troll dropping the detonator and being able to blame him, and can’t do absolutely nothing because it shows he doesn’t care about the possible hostages. This is the only situation that the Troll cannot win, he can still kill the hostages but he can’t pin blame on anyone else, he has to show he’s entirely the bad guy now.

Kyhan
Kyhan
1 month ago

I have a feeling it’s not a deadman switch, and the Troll is only pretending to hold it down—or it’s a two-stage trigger, where only the second stage detonates. That way, Ethan will unknowingly set it off thinking he’s just trying to prevent it going off.