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Analog and D-Pad 06.22

January 29, 2020 by Tim


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Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
1 year ago

Good ol’ Lucas has got his priorities straight.

KillerDragon989
KillerDragon989
1 year ago

Just realized I haven’t read this in a couple weeks due to work, classes, sleep 3 hrs, repeat. Felt awesome to catch up!

Gareth Hughes
Gareth Hughes
1 year ago

If thats an emp, this is a double standard. Unless lucas is willing to kill (under certain circumstances i.e. ethan in danger) a human, don’t emp a sentient ai.

David K.
David K.
1 year ago
Reply to  Gareth Hughes

You are assuming an EMP will permanently destroy Zeke et al vs only temporarily disable them.
Also Lucas may not believe this AI or ANY AI is equivalent to a living being, and/or that it is truly self aware and not just a highly sophisticated program that effectively mimics awareness.
In other words there is a whole lot of assumptions you have to make before this becomes equivalent to killing a human.

aaron Smith
aaron Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Gareth Hughes

id think its the equivalent of knocking it out, anyway emp can temporairly or permenently dmg electronics id think scott is smart enough to controill that

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
1 year ago
Reply to  Gareth Hughes

You’re 2 years late with this complaint, my dude
https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-05-21/

Bramble
Bramble
1 year ago

Geez, that’s 2 years ago already?

Man, time goes fast 😮

Taylan Ertan
Taylan Ertan
1 year ago
Reply to  Gareth Hughes

And EMP to Zeke would be like a ‘knockout’ to a human.

Merendel
Merendel
1 year ago
Reply to  Taylan Ertan

A real EMP powerful enough to “Knock Out” electronics in its radius would normaly melt some of the delicate components. they literally induce current in the small wires and connections that exceed the voltage/current they are designed to take. takes more than cyceling the power to get them working agian (major repairs/replacement of componants needed)
Then agian this is a super hero Bullshitium EMP so the normal rules of physics may not apply and it could just stun him instead.

Jaysburn
Jaysburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Merendel

Everyone forgetting that Zeke has already been hit by a much bigger EMP blast?
https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-05-21/

Brian
Brian
1 year ago

What’s the betting odds that x-bot here has shielding from EMPs now?

Justin J. Conidaris
Justin J. Conidaris
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

Steve
Steve
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian

Or X01 just plain dodged. The smaller EMP’s look to be much shorter range.

Ashi
Ashi
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian

I know this would be far too cheesy and cliche and probably a lame cop-out, but my other thought was “Imagine if this shorts out the killswitch.”

leduk
leduk
1 year ago
Reply to  Ashi

I love cliche.

Hisham M Al-Beik
Hisham M Al-Beik
1 year ago
Reply to  Ashi

or puts it into a fritz, then he’ll be discarded by “master”, then he’ll wake up realizing he was discarded but the killswitch keeps on fritzing out, then he tries to find ethan and see if he was telling the truth about the friend who can help him, then when they do he disappears to think about what to do with his new found freedom and possible new friends.

Jacob
Jacob
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian

From a post above, shielding is verified:

https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-05-21/

FITCamaro
FITCamaro
1 year ago

For a robot, he really has terrible aim. But then I guess plot armor has to be a bit thick unless Tim is ready to kill off a main character.

Aldrechar
Aldrechar
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

True, see Heisenberg; the position and the velocity of an object cannot both be measured exactly, at the same time, even in theory.

Powell
Powell
1 year ago
Reply to  Aldrechar

That’s totally not true. https://www.britannica.com/science/uncertainty-principle Ordinary experience provides no clue of this principle. It is easy to measure both the position and the velocity of, say, an automobile, because the uncertainties implied by this principle for ordinary objects are too small to be observed. The complete rule stipulates that the product of the uncertainties in position and velocity is equal to or greater than a tiny physical quantity, or constant (h/(4π), where h is Planck’s constant, or about 6.6 × 10−34 joule-second). Only for the exceedingly small masses of atoms and subatomic particles does the product of the uncertainties become… Read more »

Urazz
Urazz
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

Considering Zeke was a Xbox repurposed into being a killing machine and is using ninja weapons, his accuracy can’t be that great in the first place since he wasn’t designed as a killing machine and is using inferior weapons that can only travel so fast so that leaves a better chance for people to dodge. If he was using guns then He’d probably be more accurate I think.

I do think an AI designed specifically to be a killing machine and given better weapons like guns, then he’d be a lot more accurate than Zeke ever could though.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
1 year ago
Reply to  Urazz

I highly doubt Weebmaster built X01 out of an Xbox, considering how the Xbox 360 is what inspired his stupidity in the first place.

HonoredMule
HonoredMule
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

Ot to put it in simpler terms – Zeke is a robot made with limited resources, and a whole lot of those resources went into making him a walking, talking humanoid, _not_ an auto-targeting weapon turret.

Sure the latter exists, and just think about the engineering that goes into the balancing and gimbal-controlling motors to achieve near-instantaneous precise movement, all from the advantage of a fixed stationary base in terms of relative mass (and never mind the data collection and processing to decide where to move in the first place).

Not exactly how human arms and torsos work, is it?

7eggert
7eggert
1 year ago
Reply to  HonoredMule

My 3d printer is controlled by a far far less advanced CPU and yet it’s able to control the acceleration of the printing head accurately. It’s just a matter of pulsing a bunch of line and counting.

7eggert
7eggert
1 year ago
Reply to  7eggert

Zeke is standing still in a well-known distance throwing his well-known spear at a standing target. He has all the data in place to select the correct fuzzy tables to (not) modify his aim.

Also: If he wasn’t able to throw, he’d not be able to jump from one place to the next either. Same problem, a slight breeze would make him fall if he couldn’t do that.

DaMavster
DaMavster
1 year ago
Reply to  7eggert

A 3D printer is nothing like a throwing machine. A 3D printer’s target is stationary, the print head is typically attached to two perpendicular rail systems so it can precisely measure where in 2D space the head is (the rails act as rulers), and a third track moves the whole 2D track system up and down very precisely (again, like a using a ruler). To more accurately approximate how difficult throwing is vs traveling on a rail system, your 3D printer needs to be more like a Super Soaker that you can point at any surface between 1 and 100… Read more »

7eggert
7eggert
1 year ago
Reply to  DaMavster

I added a follow-up to my short comment, but that didn’t show yet. let’s try again. Zeke and his target are stationary and there is no wind. He needs to chose a path from the distance and the force he chooses to use (lower arc) on the known weight and shape. That’s _just like moving the print head along a path (Zeke’s hand) and releasing filament / opening the hand. He’ll have fuzzy logic to control for wind, for moving targets and for his own movement, but _these_ are approximate. Zeke needs to have the same logic for jumping. Thus… Read more »

GoalieBob72
GoalieBob72
1 year ago
Reply to  7eggert

As someone who also owns a 3D printer and has experienced Z-axis drift… no, even 3D printers – singularly focused at one task, precision – don’t always get it right.

Something with more calculations isn’t necessarily going to be better than the object with less calculations.

Graham Best
Graham Best
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

It’s interesting that you mention a moving dart board. The equations to figure out a moving target aren’t as difficult as you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTizZ_XcUM

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Best

Oh yeah. That video where it was so hard to do that a former NASA engineer took 3 years to overcome all the challenges and finally get it to work. If that video proves anything, it’s that it’s even more difficult than you think. Also, that video is about coding a target to move into the line of fire and be struck. Not at all the same thing as coding a machine to hit an unpredictable moving target every time. Coding the latter would be even harder than coding the former, and as established above, coding the former was already… Read more »

Doormaker
Doormaker
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Best

It’s a fair assumption that, if you could build Z, you could trivially overcome the challenge of hitting a moving dartboard, but that isn’t a good example. The catch is that–in reality, when dealing with different agents–the motion can’t be predicted very well, and there isn’t a clear way to easily gather all needed data quickly, accurately, from a single platform. Think of a dart board that is moving randomly in an environment that can’t be perfectly modeled. With a good theory-of-mind, which presumably Z(being sentient himself) has to some degree, you could likely make some pretty good assumptions about… Read more »

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Best

I think you’re severely underestimating the complexity of the problem. You’re right that the equations for a (consistently) moving target aren’t all that difficult to solve, but that’s only a fraction of what’s necessary (and arguably the easiest part). A much bigger hurdle is correctly determining the exact equations necessary, especially for objects/targets that don’t follow a neatly predictable (and thus calculable) trajectory. And the tons of calculations to properly position to hit the target on that trajectory (as well as the tons of calculations to properly aim his projectile at that location). All of that (and actually moving his… Read more »

ReyMonoArdilla
ReyMonoArdilla
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

Of course, that does raise the question of why he wasn’t given a gun.

Urazz
Urazz
1 year ago
Reply to  ReyMonoArdilla

Because his master has a Japanese culture fetish and made him into a ninja essentially and has him using weapons samurai or ninja would use.

Andminus
Andminus
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

While I know this is literally an explanation from the creator above me here: he also did say he was giving him a chance, he’d be bored if he took d pad out in one shot without giving the chance to fight back, he’s not a human hunting prey, he’s a robot that makes witty retort, he NEEDS humans to talk back to.

7eggert
7eggert
1 year ago
Reply to  Andminus

I assumed that he wanted to close the door.

DaMavster
DaMavster
1 year ago
Reply to  FITCamaro

Actually, it’s quite difficult to engineer a device to throw objects with any accuracy. As humans, we think it shouldn’t be that hard to do, but that’s because we’re biased by our biology. See https://scholar.harvard.edu/ntroach/evolution-throwing From the article, “We are unique among all animals in our ability to throw projectiles at high speeds and with incredible accuracy.” Even robots built to throw something accurately can only throw one particular object. Give a robot that can nail a 3-pointer with a basketball a baseball. Or a stick. Or anything other than a basketball. It will miss, very very poorly. Or just… Read more »

leduk
leduk
1 year ago
Reply to  FITCamaro

I agree. It harder to code him a free will than a perfect aim imho

Sayer
Sayer
1 year ago

That looks very much like it did not work.

The NinjaBear
The NinjaBear
1 year ago

Anyone else thinking Lucas should just kill Ethan so he respawns at full health and can help with his own escape?

Halosty
Halosty
1 year ago
Reply to  The NinjaBear

Harsh, but practical.

7eggert
7eggert
1 year ago
Reply to  The NinjaBear

Is that Ethan?

Leon
Leon
1 year ago

……Is that a Poke ball?

Pulse
Pulse
1 year ago

am i the only one seeing emp + bomb that must receive cancel signal = bad times coming

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
1 year ago
Reply to  Pulse

It was described as a killswitch, not a bomb. The killswitch could be as simple as X01 getting his SSD/hard drive formatted.

7eggert
7eggert
1 year ago

At least Zeke would have a bad time.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
1 year ago

Oh come on, that is so not going to work a second time.

Jon
Jon
1 year ago

Yeah, Zeke’s going to flatten Lucas in the next frame. “I got that little glitch patched, idiot.”

Kyle
Kyle
1 year ago

I’m gonna guess the EMP doesn’t work and we find out something crazy about the Zeke-bot.