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Deposited, p17

March 28, 2022 by Tim


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Dr. Doobiedoo
Dr. Doobiedoo
8 months ago

This is so good

JJ What?
JJ What?
8 months ago
Reply to  Dr. Doobiedoo

Jeez, the dialogue Tim writes is usually pretty decent, wtf happened in that last panel??? **cringe**

wilddeath
wilddeath
8 months ago
Reply to  JJ What?

I mean I have said almost all of that verbatim to my best friend in all the world once after they did something I thought was absolutely heinous. Seems relatable to me.

Fela
Fela
8 months ago
Reply to  JJ What?

Im not getting what your problem with that is. Reads like something a mature Ethan would say?

Alfred Andersson
Alfred Andersson
8 months ago
Reply to  Fela

Well, i would not agree that its bad, sure, it would be less clunky if it said “but i dont even want to be….” and skipped as much as. But that said, who do fire on point lines like that when you are that upset? It kinda make the character more real. 🙂

Sinpathy
Sinpathy
8 months ago

Alfred wasn’t saying -you- were upset, he was referring to the fact that the character is upset, hence the brevity of his statement.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago
Reply to  JJ What?

I don’t think this is a legit opinion. This guy posted the same post once already. But when it dropped to the bottom of the page for being ‘newest’, just *had* to post again as a reply to the first person, so that everyone could see his opinion and react.

Not just a troll, but a dumb troll.

Crias
Crias
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

idk, Ethan’s sentiment is fine but the wording feels awkward to me. Reading it in my head didn’t work, and saying it out loud feels extremely awkward. I think the “even” and the “so much as” are redundant, they’re both communicating that being in the room is the least of interactions and even that’s too much. “Even want so much as” would read less awkward, but the “so much as” can probably be dropped to make the sentence feel way more natural. That said, sometimes in an emotional moment people blurt out an awkward phrasing while their mind searches for… Read more »

robloughrey
robloughrey
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Sorry you’re a bit late for your seat at the troll table. We could maybe fit you in around 9:30?

Jamie
Jamie
8 months ago
Reply to  JJ What?

#ThatsBait

Mad Koala
Mad Koala
8 months ago

hmm, next few parts are going to very interesting on what this means for their friendship. With Ethan calling Scott a murder, and the very real lack empathy between Scott and Ethan on why they have those positions.
It will be interesting to see how this is properly address because it not just this incident but are series of incident were Ethan would do whatever he wants in regards to relationship and how to conduct himself as a hero, while Scott is so scared of losing those he cares for.

Woodrobin
Woodrobin
8 months ago
Reply to  Mad Koala

There was complete empathy on Ethan’s part for the reason Scott had his position. He specifically mentions Scott’s sister by way of saying he understands why Scott feels the way he does (while simultaneously questioning whether she would agree with his position or Scott’s re: Scott’s actions). Ethan understands Scott’s position. He disagrees with it, but he understands where Scott is coming from. Scott continues both to blithely ignore Ethan’s perspective, and to blithely ignore the seriousness of his actions to someone with Ethan’s perspective. “There’ll be time to argue later” presumes there is an argument to be made, and… Read more »

TomB
TomB
8 months ago
Reply to  Woodrobin

He doesn’t know how Scott feels. He can try to imagine it, but he doesn’t. You can’t ever understand another’s grief. Even if you both lost a mum or a sister or whatever, every case is substantively different as reactions are very personal. It’s hubris to think otherwise. And bringing up his dead sister is out of line IMO. That’s dirty pool and should not have been done. Scott’s concern is the threat that’s running around. It’s a valid concern because nobody knows what ZK may do even if we ignore the fact he still hasn’t accounted to any authority… Read more »

TomB
TomB
8 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Scott seems to me to show obsessive focus which could be a character thing (or being a bit Aspergers or something) or it could be the result of post traumatic stress – he’s seen a lot of that. He coud literally be a messed up person from trauma and need mental health help. Yet nobody has any empathy for that part of Scott’s arc. It doesn’t excuse his conduct, but it ought to be considered as to whether he also is injured (emotionally) and his actions are driven by the fears and anxieties those sorts of traumatic injuries leave.

Justin
Justin
8 months ago
Reply to  TomB

True, but he is willfully choosing to keep his mind closed on the topic. He ignores that Zeke has been growing, abiding by the agreement to stay where they ask, and has jumped thru the hoops. He still only seems to see him as murderbot, so it is hard to feel anything for people who refuse to move forward at all. Remember he has been back there in the cave for months and you dont see him even wanting to associate with ZK. Would you be so empathetic to someone who didnt see a person of color as a human… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago
Reply to  Justin

It’s not *quite* the same thing as that. Scott’s dead wrong, of course – but I’d be hard-pressed to say that his faults represent a moral failing or lack of empathy. If anything, Scott cares too much, because he’s willfully putting himself in grave danger, and sacrificing his only remaining friendships in this world, for literally everyone else in the world. He’s almost the textbook definition of the “smart guy hero.” The problem is, it’s very, very hard to understand that something which is nonhuman could think and feel and have a self in the same way that a human… Read more »

nealithi
nealithi
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Okay I grasp what you are saying and to an extent I agree with you. However there is the issue of method. Let’s change this from stand alone computer to a human. A child or autistic person that does not have normal social queues. They know how to hack anything and at one point had access to launch all the nukes. Do you put an explosive collar on their neck and not tell them or the one trying to rehabilitate them. Just to be sure. Or do you use a different form of containment that cannot be accidentally activated? This… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago
Reply to  nealithi

Oh, I’m firmly in Team Zeke. I 100% believe that Scott was wrong, and that there were better ways of handling it. For your analogy – waiting a very long time, if ever, to grant internet access; still maintaining a GPS log and perimeter, and rather than having that perimeter trigger an explosion, have it notify supers (at least A&D) so they can intercept. Make it clear to the child that there are rules and boundaries, and that trust has to be earned. The problem comes that, to be able to grasp that those strategies are far, FAR better than… Read more »

Crias
Crias
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

I think Scott’s use of language is the key issue I have with even taking his stance as “understandable, and even the norm”. I actually see how most people would likely hold the opinions that Scott does. However, Scott’s position is one where one of his best friends is spending large amounts of time with a machine that even Scott admitted is acting more advanced than its coding should allow. His friend is respecting the machine’s pronouns and telling Scott that it has real intelligence – that it has wrestled with moral arguments and come to acceptable stances on its… Read more »

nealithi
nealithi
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Genetically engineered bomb monkey or an AI will need the thing most people do grasp the importance of. Socialisation. We teach children who and how to trust and how to be cautious. If you just grant intellect and just command it and experiment then it will become antisocial. Do this to a typical human child and they will be antisocial. The solution is not a zoo. Yes you might have to lock the bomb monkey/AI away for a time as he/she/it/they learn what we all take for granted. The problem with the nukes versus a man holding a gun is… Read more »

HonoredMule
HonoredMule
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

The extent to which we can empathize with a non-human entity directly scales with the degree to which we can communicate with them, and I’d argue this applies more reliably even than passing the test of biological makeup. Case in point: I’ve always liked cats, usually owned them, and I understand their body language. But after I started watching some videos of cats using fluent.pet button sets to communicate, I started to realize I’ve substantially underestimated their intellect and emotional range. They can understand abstract and relative concepts, actions, time, and even appeasement. (I always assumed that when cats were… Read more »

Phoebe
Phoebe
8 months ago
Reply to  TomB

I thought I replied, but it doesn’t seem like I did… From what I got, it was ETHAN’s sister that died, Scott is his brother-in-law or something. So I would say that “don’t use my sister as an excuse, because you know she would have never agreed to that” is not entirely out of line…

lightsabermario
lightsabermario
8 months ago
Reply to  TomB

IMO, bringing up Carlie was not out of line. First of all, Carlie was not just Scott’s wife, she was Ethan’s sister, so he has just as much right to invoke her name as Scott. They have both lost the same loved one, and though people have different responses to trauma, they are equally valid. Secondly, it’s a fair point. Scott’s ethos has been warped to the point that anything that protects humanity is justified, and Carlie is no longer there to ground him. It’s a common trope where a person’s actions done for the sake of someone else don’t… Read more »

7eggert
7eggert
8 months ago
Reply to  Woodrobin

Off cause there is an argument to be made – and Scott will be mostly at the receiving end.

But also there is a wounded person outside without a reasonable plan nor opportunity to have a life as a part of the society. No money, no income, no home, no free power socket. Begging will not work, and they also can’t just ring at a church door and ask for shelter. So what are the options? And what are the good options?

Jay
Jay
8 months ago
Reply to  Mad Koala

Ethan calling Scott a murder

Attempted Murderer, thank you.

robloughrey
robloughrey
8 months ago
Reply to  Jay

Nope his actions definitely resulted in murder, it just didn’t stick.

DontBeThatGuy
DontBeThatGuy
8 months ago
Reply to  robloughrey

That’s the definition of ATTEMPTED murder, man: Actions that result in murder, but didn’t stick.

Jesse
Jesse
8 months ago
Reply to  DontBeThatGuy

I was on board with robloughrey, but you actually made a valid argument that I didn’t think about. If you kill someone, and then after their heart is stopped for a period of time the hospital uses a defibrillator and resuscitates them, you’re not a murderer, even though you actually killed them. That’s an interesting point that I never really thought about (and I guess that’s not a bad thing that I never dug that deep into the ins and outs of murder charges). Scott is indeed an attempted murderer, not a murderer.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago

That’s… probably the kindest thing he could say.

With everything that’s happened – the lies, the betrayal, the attempted murder, literally everything – “You’re my closest friends, and I love you.”

Takes a bigger man than I know how to be, to say that.

jere
jere
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Yes, it’s incredibly well done on Ethans end. Establishing that this is important to him and he is serious by the moment of silence, reassuring his friendship as the very first thing he says, and then ending by “right now”, which also makes clear that while he will need (maybe a lot of) time, he thinks it is fixable.

Deescalating while escalating, and even though all probably done without thinking, in these 3 panels he lays the foundation for Lucas and Scott to work on fixing this.

TomB
TomB
8 months ago
Reply to  jere

Tim’s storytelling has improved over the years to reach the level of this particular comic. The combination of perspective, the effective use of silence, and a depth to Ethan’s response that feels credible, among other smaller touches… they all just work together. Very well done, Tim.

GUNnibal
GUNnibal
8 months ago

That hole is gonna take some serious patching up. I feel like one of the previous ark’s name would fit this one too – Demolition.

Patrick Mnoholitny
Patrick Mnoholitny
8 months ago

congrats Scott, you were so worried about a out of control possibly murderous robot, and your actions have created an out-of-control Possibly murderous Robot.

Woodrobin
Woodrobin
8 months ago

It’s a trope as old as Oedipus. Trying to stop an event in a cruel way (spiking an infant’s feet and abandoning him/rigging a bomb to explode on a geofenced trigger) leading to creating the event (angry man with sore feet (“Oedipus” literally means “swollen foot”, referencing his injury) chucks javelin back at road-raging charioteer, killing him, never knowing he’s killed his birth father/robot survives bomb, now has concrete personal reason to hate and mistrust humans).

Snowfae
Snowfae
8 months ago

Crazy to look back at the early comics, then read this. You’ve come a long way Tim. 😀

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago
Reply to  Snowfae

See, the thing that makes this webcomic different from all the others, is that it’s got a melon as a third character.

Zair
Zair
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Rupert! I tried to go back and read the archives last year for nostalgia’s sake, but with the way it’s sectioned into different categories now I couldn’t figure out a way to just read the archives in publication order.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago
Reply to  Zair

Just go back to the front webpage (www dot cad-comic dot com) and just hit “|<< First” without hitting any other button first.

When you ‘dive deeper’ into any comic page (by clicking on the comic itself, expanding the author’s script, or opening the comments) moving back and forth will move you within that series. If you stay on the surface level, then moving forward and back moves you chronologically, regardless of series.

Nightdagger
Nightdagger
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

I mean, it kinda does if you count Scott?

Esc
Esc
8 months ago

Scott just won’t stop. Which is in character here but it really paints a light on how he thinks.

Even this anger and devastation Ethan is showing doesn’t cause him to deviate from what he thinks is important.

Lincoln James
Lincoln James
8 months ago

“Later on we can decide whether my actions, including the ones I’m exhorting you to help me with right now, are evil, but first, you must help me do these things, okay?”

Sounds kinda like NOPE TO ME

Matt
Matt
8 months ago

When the joking, light-hearted character stops joking and light-hearted….shit just went sideways, up and down.

PersonalC0ffee
PersonalC0ffee
8 months ago

What if Ethan becomes the master?

DontBeThatGuy
DontBeThatGuy
8 months ago
Reply to  PersonalC0ffee

I think that’s more Scott than Ethan. Ethan is dead-set in believing that Zeke can be good if given the chance. Scott hasn’t once tried to connect with Zeke and only saw the negatives and did things his way with no regards to others (same as the Master did). That being said, I don’t think Scott will go evil either, but he’s got some serious soul-searching to do.

Daren
Daren
8 months ago

Really loving the artistry in this entire arc, Tim, especially these last few pages. This page in particular is in my top 5 of faves of all time. From the first panel down to the last, each one carrying such exquisite detail:

Ethan’s face showing tears of betrayal and hurt covering a barely contained rage in his body language, Lucas’s expression as he realizes that he done f’d up for real, Scott’s adherence to logic and fixation on the existential threat, all culminating in Ethan ironically showing the greatest maturity of them all… Just so good!

Humsterr
Humsterr
8 months ago

Yeah, it’s way off topic, but I noticed how Ethan is better dressed than Lukas in this one. Or at least as good. You see that fitted pants that are exactly the right length? Yeah, it’s not something you can just pick up, Ethan had to be taught by Lukas to choose these, I am sure. And it’s not all, shoes that complement his hair color, a turquoise t-shirt that does not clash with blue pants and, finally, a black jacket that is good for every occasion. While Lukas is wearing — what — brown hoody and white shoes? Eh,… Read more »

Humsterr
Humsterr
8 months ago
Reply to  Humsterr

While I am on the topic, ZK is wearing the exact same color pants that Ethan is

Last edited 8 months ago by Humsterr
Martin Junginger
Martin Junginger
8 months ago
Reply to  Humsterr

And a bit more of the off-topic – shouldn’t Lukas have blood on the right side of his face (as on the previous two pages)?

DrunkenGamer
DrunkenGamer
8 months ago

That actually makes sense honestly as there was not much and imagine he would have wiped his mouth after causing Ethan to respawn – Any blood that came from Respawning Ethan would have blipped out of reality as he did (covered early on)

Martin Junginger
Martin Junginger
8 months ago
Reply to  DrunkenGamer

Well, it wasn’t Ethan’s blood, but his own (see page 11-12), so the blipping out of reality isn’t relevant here. Maybe he wiped his cheek after/while Ethan respawned, but it still feels a bit like an oversight. But I guess I’m just nit-picking. Overall great storyline! Apart from how our three friends are going to proceed, I’m perhaps even curious about Zeke’s fate…

Erik B
Erik B
8 months ago

Lucas *does* have blood on the right side of his mouth. you can’t see it in the small panels on the right, due to the size of the panels, but the first panel on the left shows it.

Martin Junginger
Martin Junginger
8 months ago
Reply to  Erik B

Yes, I think Tim actually added this in the past 24 h. Thanks Tim!

Rolan7
Rolan7
8 months ago
Reply to  Humsterr

I don’t notice outfits much but Ethan’s really stands out in panel 1, yeah. It looks really good! I love open jackets like that.

7eggert
7eggert
8 months ago
Reply to  Humsterr

I get my well-fitting jeans by “I ordered them online but they don’t fit me, here try these”.

Soeroah
Soeroah
8 months ago

It’s weird when Ethan’s the most mature guy in a room.

Drew
Drew
8 months ago
Reply to  Soeroah

Don’t worry. He’ll get back to the same guy we know and love that painted a face on a watermelon to have a third character.

Jacob
Jacob
8 months ago
Reply to  Soeroah

Crises do not create character, they reveal it. Ethan may play the fool, but he was forced to be the only adult in the room this time (from his perspective).

ThatGuy
ThatGuy
8 months ago

Been there. I have two best friends and they kinda did me dirty (no ill intentions, they just didn’t think things through). I wanted nothing more than to punch their teeth in, but I did what Ethan did and said I didn’t want to be around them for a while. It’s all water under the bridge now and we made a silent promise to never bring it up again. Seeing this just reminded me of that incident. I’m confident they’ll all patch things up. All 4 of them (one more literally, of course.)

Arcslayer
Arcslayer
8 months ago

Scott is in full on panic “only I can fix this” mode. He doesn’t even consider being angry at Ethan for stopping him once already. This is seriously good writing!

robloughrey
robloughrey
8 months ago
Reply to  Arcslayer

Right? He didn’t even really process that Ethan knocked the phone out of his hand. He assumes (once again) its just more of Ethan’s impulsive behavior but that “of course its totally obvious that I’m right and you just need to do what I say right now…” The other reactions are great too. Ethan starts with the shut up and Lucas as is his norm is looking out for the relationships here and starts to warn Ethan. Ethan either had it already or Lucas just prompted him to choose his next words carefully which he did beautifully as noted by… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
8 months ago
Reply to  robloughrey

This might sound weird, but one of the ‘good writing’ bits is the use of profanity.

I’ll never forget one class I had. The writing teacher allowed every student one curse a semester. Just one. Reason being, overusing profanity dulls its impact, in addition to being a crutch for the writer. Removing profanity pushes the writer to expand their vocabulary and use different methods to develop characterization.

But restrict it, only to drop it *just* at the right moment, and it sends a powerful shock to the reader.

“Shut the fuck up, Scott,” says far more than any punch could.

Last edited 8 months ago by Eldest Gruff
Philosopher In A Vest
Philosopher In A Vest
8 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Not sure if it actually comes from somewhere, but, a friend’s dad was fond of saying “an F-bomb used all the time causes it to stop being a bomb”

Number51x
Number51x
8 months ago

Wow, that page could have gone so much worse. Don’t know how Ethan found it in himself to say that in that moment.

Ogre
Ogre
8 months ago

Scott got someone killed, an tried to kill something else. No remorse. That’s pretty incredible. He’s VERY lucky neither one of them attempted retribution. Zeke running away should begin to help provide additional evidence that the threat is lower than it once was.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
8 months ago
Reply to  Ogre

Scott got someone killed? If you’re talking about Carly, I’m quite certain they said he tried to save her, took a bullet for her, but it didn’t matter and she still died. I wouldn’t call that getting someone killed. Unless you meant something else.

Phoebe
Phoebe
8 months ago

I think he meant Ethan?

Drew
Drew
8 months ago

Just re-read the whole series. Standing ovation, sir! I’m waiting on pins and needles for Wednesday’s comic!

Vandril
Vandril
8 months ago

It can be hard to see, but I believe Ethan is crying in the first panel.

Extreme
Extreme
8 months ago

Where’d the phone go?

Epsilon
Epsilon
8 months ago

God all of this is fantastic, from the word choice to the framing and positioning of characters. Fantastic. Though I am truly loving the well thought out character and scene discussion in the comments.

JJ What?
JJ What?
8 months ago

Jeez, the dialogue Tim writes is usually pretty decent, wtf happened in that last panel??? **cringe**

Michael L Livote
Michael L Livote
8 months ago

Bravo Tim! Best story arc I’ve seen from you so far. I’m eagerly awaiting the next upload with baited breath!

analogHyperdrive
analogHyperdrive
8 months ago

What floors me is that Scott still thinks he can just… order them around? Even after Ethan literally slaps his phone out of his hand, he still somehow thinks he can just say “we need to deal with the threat” and think Ethan will go along with it? Or as Lucas is killing Ethan, he can just be like “You need to go out and get this phone next to the robot”. I’m confused by his complete assumption of the support of people who have been all but screaming the opposite. His fucking everything up at every single oppertunity is… Read more »

Drakin
Drakin
8 months ago

I miss the nonsensical early days of this comic. Ethan getting shot by random arrows while screaming “I regret that I have but one life to waste playing video games!”