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I No Lie Good

June 8, 2020 by Tim

I’ve been combing through some games on my wishlist, so I’ve been playing a lot of Project: Winter the past couple of weeks, and I love it. It reminds me a lot of Dead of Winter, without the zombies. And like Dead of Winter, there’s a fun social trust/betrayer element which makes every game unique.

However I’m finding that I am both far too polite to distrust everyone to the extent that I should, and perhaps far too nervous to convincingly hold a lie as the traitor. It’s odd for the sole reason that I have none of these problems when I’m sitting around a tabletop with friends, yet they present when I’m playing over Steam with strangers. You think it would be the other way around.

At any rate, as much as I love the thrill of playing the traitor, I am downright disastrous at it. At least it’s a fun disaster.


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Lord Forrest
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Lord Forrest

Reminds me of the Mafia card game. Good times. Won once by admitting to being a Mafia member when I was accused. The look on the Game Master’s face when I did that was priceless. Even better because I got the person who accused me voted out that round and won with both mafia members alive.

Reso
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Reso

Wait, how did that work?

TOM B
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TOM B

Reminds me of a game of BSG (boardgame). I was the early Cylon. I was not revealed but I played a bit unpredictably (I had not looked at my allegiance card so I could not prejudice my reaction but the fact I freaked out the other players and they sent me to jail). The, for reasons of a struggle with the ongoing attacks, one of the players ended up both Admiral of the Fleet and President. The mid-game card draw came up and I got the second Cylon card (no immediate help, I guess) but then I had an opportunity… Read more »

Pulse
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Pulse

multiplayer game where other players can just randomly destroy me with no chance of me avoiding it or them being punished for doing so by the system? ah yes the games i refuse to play gain more ground.

Alcor
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Alcor

My issue with “hidden traitor” games is that I just don’t have much fun being any role but traitor. I don’t play Mafia anymore because I don’t like being townsfolk. I like these games purely for the sneaky aspect, not the horror-movie-suspense or logic puzzle solving aspect of being a generic person waiting to get shanked or having to suss out which of my friends I have to remove from the game.

no thanks nintendo
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no thanks nintendo

Indeed. The problem with asymmetric games is that you have to enjoy two completely different types of games. And even if you do enjoy both, maybe one day you’re really looking to play one side of it but it never happens.

That’s why I can never get into these. I’d rather just play games that do one thing really well, so if I want something different, I can switch to a different game and get it. No need to keep matchmaking all day hoping I finally get the role I want.

davethwave
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davethwave

Another good candidate is a game called space station 13.

Sparky the Wonder Dog
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Sparky the Wonder Dog

I played Sparky in Dead of Winter once. He had a sniper rifle and found some gas so he could drive around. He was also the traitor and could have wiped out the other survivors, but as Man’s Best Friend he just couldn’t bring himself to do it. It’s hard to do evil when you’re a Good Boy.

NokZul
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NokZul

That reminds me of the one time i played it as well, I got sparky and sent him to the police station and had him camp there because I got a pistol and a sniper and another item that was really good, idr what it was. It was great i was just killing all the zombies and shooting into other zones as a dog, its a great thing to imagine in my head!

Luc
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Luc

Makes me think of the good ol’ custom games in Warcraft 3, way back in the day. Had lots of fun with them!
I always loved messing around with the good guys even when I was the good guy, saying something like “What do I spend lumber on?”, knowing full well only the murderer even has access to lumber haha.
I was a 14-15 year old ding dong who liked messing around haha, give me a break.

Scott
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Scott

Forget giving you a break, that shit sounds like it’d be a blast today

Leon
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Leon

Discretion is everything…

Buff Tannen
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Buff Tannen

You gotta try Paranoia it’s along those lines. Trust the computer. Someone (everyone) is a traitor. It’s an old but fun game.

ArdentSlacker
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ArdentSlacker

I remember playing a quick session of that at a ‘con. I was… better prepared than average. Friend computer interrogated me about agreeing with it about a new Cold Fun formula. “But it’s a more perfect perfection than the previous perfection.” And when it came to my secret instructions… it was one of those “Kill the one who responds to the following code phrase with…” and I read it, and the guy next to me let slip what his was… and it sounded not-quite like what mine said, like a game of telephone. So when the lights went out, and… Read more »

ArdentSlacker
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ArdentSlacker

Oh gods, or the other game where the author was ripping off lord of the rings having us take a USB back to the lab that made it. It created dead zones the computer couldn’t see. I got the group to have a discussion about the morality of using vs destroying it… total treason. And we erased the recording the propaganda officer made of that chat. Aaaand the second we were out of the dead zone, I quietly narc’d on their treasonous conversation and pointed to the erasure as proof the propaganda officer was a traitor. Didn’t actually mention the… Read more »

eric
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eric

Ahh I love that game!

The best thing I can recommend to being a traitor is to pay attention to what you do when you are not the traitor. Like, how often do you talk as an innocent? Don’t talk more or less than that. If you never talk in the first couple minutes as a survivor, don’t talk more than that as a traitor.

t209
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t209

Tim, part of me wonder if it was the players who already know you as a traitor after playing as one so much that it became obvious when all except you are survivors rather than you sucking.

Vuris
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Vuris

I love these games. The master act of pulling off being just not suspicious while trying to alienate and pick of lone players is quite enjoyable. And yet the bitter sweetness at being so close to winning as a survivor to find out the guy who stuck with me the entire game was the traitor at the last moment dooming us all the blizzard is undeniable. If you like this one, try Among us. its much like project winter but there is no voice comms, and all communications happens via text.

Wumbo
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Wumbo

Sounds like Mafia/Werewolf. I am great at those kinds of games. Online it tends to be Quiet=Suspicious…