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Identity, p3

April 5, 2021 by Tim


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Hunter
Hunter
6 months ago

Technically correct

TheSnowedOne
TheSnowedOne
6 months ago
Reply to  Hunter

That’s the best kind of correct!

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  TheSnowedOne

One would think that ‘entirely correct’ would be even more desirable.

adam
adam
6 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Not if you’re a bureaucrat!

Josh
Josh
6 months ago

There are other, less tragically inadequate human languages that might be helpful in this circumstance. English really is putting our worst foot forward on the human-cyborg relations front.

ronySky
ronySky
6 months ago
Reply to  Josh

Well, it could be worse. There are many languages where nouns have gender (or even animate/inanimate distinctions), so the equivalent of word “robot” itself comes with a classification attached. Xbot would probably benefit from communication in Lojban, but I don’t know how much of it Ethan could learn.

wkz
wkz
6 months ago
Reply to  ronySky

That being said, nobody, and I mean nobody, should say “gynoid” in hearing range of Zeke.

Last edited 6 months ago by wkz
TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  ronySky

Ah, knew great minds think alike. Should have read as your post was even better. Robot is basically a way to say ‘worker’. Robotat (lacking the cyrillic) is the verb for work if I recall a course many years ago. Gendered nouns which are inanimate I always used to see as frustrating both because which were ascribed particular gender pronouns seemed very arbitrary and because I couldn’t see much benefit and it adds a lot to care which one needs display when it comes to various agreements. Then only now did I consider that, for some languages, perhaps some aboriginal… Read more »

7eggert
7eggert
6 months ago
Reply to  Josh

Hebrew is good, there is no “it”.

ronySky
ronySky
6 months ago
Reply to  7eggert

In Hebrew, “you” has a gender. I have no idea how that works in this age of gender neutrality.

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  Josh

I suppose you’d have preferred assembler? Or FORTRAN? Or perhaps LISP? πŸ˜‰

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  TomB

The point I was getting at was perhaps a computer language might have ways of describing things that might be more useful in this instance. (That almost sounds like a self referential computer joke…)

(I didn’t mean it to sound snarky)

foducool
foducool
6 months ago

dealing with gender pronouns by wiping out humankind seems like a sensible choice at this point in time

Mousio
Mousio
6 months ago
Reply to  foducool

Indeed. Just one issue.
He has to walk out the door first😏.

Cicgnar
Cicgnar
6 months ago
Reply to  Mousio

Remote controlled nuke drones. No need to leave the room! xD

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  Cicgnar

I smell Skynet….

Late to the Party
Late to the Party
6 months ago
Reply to  Mousio

You mean, it has to walk out the door.

The Schaef
The Schaef
6 months ago

Ze has to walk out ze door.

Freddie
Freddie
6 months ago
Reply to  The Schaef

Missed a “ke” there …

Crestlinger
Crestlinger
6 months ago
Reply to  Mousio

Not really. Amazon and the next flesh-eating mutation of Covid that sits on cardboard for two years.

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  Crestlinger

Amazon’s spread might well be viral. Hmmmm….

Scott
Scott
6 months ago
Reply to  Mousio

“He”?
Isn’t that kinda emphasising the problem?

Merendel
Merendel
6 months ago
Reply to  foducool

Well if would definitively if rather messily settle the debate over the whole pronoun/gender issue.

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  foducool

Rationalizing language and considering the useful idea of a single language (traditionally done via conquering a bunch of smaller polities then forcing them to adopt single writing styles, etc) on a global scale is probably slightly more unlikely than world peace.

Jeff CB Jones
Jeff CB Jones
6 months ago

Or for ease of conversation we could just go back to “he” since nobody, including Gizzy, has any better ideas. Probably doesn’t matter all that much to him anyway, like how everyone else feels if he calls them Meatsack.

Scott
Scott
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff CB Jones

hhhmmm…
Could refer to him/her/it as siliconsack…

Jacob Keller
Jacob Keller
6 months ago

So is this where we get the Xbots name, be it Zeke, or something else. I’m hoping for Zeke just for fan service sake.

He’s gonna decide he is a he and that he is gonna need a name to recognize that.

Leon
Leon
6 months ago
Reply to  Jacob Keller

What is a man? A miserable pile of secrets

Joneth
Joneth
6 months ago
Reply to  Leon

But what can change the nature of man

Last edited 6 months ago by Joneth
Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
6 months ago
Reply to  Joneth

Fire, and lots of it.

Leon
Leon
6 months ago
Reply to  Joneth

Sometimes, the only thing you can say is “But enough talk, have at you!”

Austin Mills
Austin Mills
6 months ago

That last panel…X1 seems hesitant to go through the effort to decide this. I think X1’s realized how complicated this matter is and is worried what conclusion they’ll come to. And in case you haven’t noticed, I just highlighted a possible option for X1: referring to oneself in the third person. It’s annoying, but referring to X1 by their name means they’re not a “he,” a “she,” or the derogatory “it.” I think it’s at least a temporary solution, but it would then highlight the other problem: being named X1. That would probably start eating away at our robotic buddy… Read more »

Flaws
Flaws
6 months ago
Reply to  Austin Mills

X1 is too smart for your puny pronouns

Bethany Persons
Bethany Persons
6 months ago
Reply to  Flaws

Lota approves of this statement.

Robert Loughrey
Robert Loughrey
6 months ago
Reply to  Austin Mills

Plus it sounds like you should be ruling the planet. “X1 would like you bring the new Payday disc…”

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
6 months ago

That’s quite fitting for X1, though.

Johnny 5
Johnny 5
6 months ago

β€œI am not my thoughts, emotions, sense perceptions, and experiences. I am not the content of my life. I am Life. I am the space in which all things happen. I am consciousness. I am the Now. I Am.” – Eckhart Tolle.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
6 months ago
Reply to  Johnny 5

Username is surprisingly on point.

iago
iago
6 months ago

I mean, if he’s content with being called an android as opposed to a gynoid it’s kinda obvious that he’s a he. Androi d literally means “male-like”.

Freddie
Freddie
6 months ago
Reply to  iago

So “droid” it is!

Rolan7
Rolan7
6 months ago
Reply to  iago

That’s why androgynous means “masculine”, and anthropology is the study of men πŸ˜›

si1vergecko
si1vergecko
6 months ago

Odd how our robot friend’s plan B sounds strangely sensible at times.

Last edited 6 months ago by si1vergecko
Leon
Leon
6 months ago
Reply to  si1vergecko

Reverse suicidal

Me-me
Me-me
6 months ago
Reply to  Leon

“Homicidal”

thetruerift
thetruerift
6 months ago
Reply to  Me-me

Omnicidal!

Robert
Robert
6 months ago
Reply to  si1vergecko

But lonely. It’s not only his plan. There’s lots of people out there who would like to eliminate humans from Earth.

Hydrohead
Hydrohead
6 months ago

Anyone else think that an 80’s style sit-com laugh track would be perfect after that last line of dialogue?

Taylan Ertan
Taylan Ertan
6 months ago

That won’t solve the problem of Zeke’s identification of Zeke’s self though. After all, you have to refer to yourself somehow πŸ˜€

Logan
Logan
6 months ago
Reply to  Taylan Ertan

If it’s just Z left, the only thing Z’d ever need to use for Z-self is “I”.

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  Logan

If he just went by the letter Z, would he be “Zee” or “Zed”?

Leon
Leon
6 months ago

Sometimes a decision needs to be made regardless of contraversy

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
6 months ago

Honestly, within the context of the simple respect of calling people what they wish to be called, that’s a good plan. Humanity has already demonstrated it doesn’t deserve anything better at this point.

Him.
Him.
6 months ago

“On further analysis of contemporary comics on this subject, we have decided your pronouns are “Yaay”/”yah””

Crestlinger
Crestlinger
6 months ago

Well currently ‘Gaming Buddy’ seems to fit.

Joneth
Joneth
6 months ago

Since it cant bear children and has no other female identifiers, its a “He” for all intents and purposes.

Last edited 6 months ago by Joneth
Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
6 months ago
Reply to  Joneth

If you’re going full-on biological, bro, it seems like the male would be the ‘modified human’ model. After all, that’s the one with the little clingy Y chromosome that goes and mucks up what the Xes are doing.

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
6 months ago

Not trying to start shit, but depending on how the Machine Learning algorithm is built, perhaps “They” isn’t entirely inaccurate.

Robert
Robert
6 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

Yeah, them or they is a perfectly usable pronoun.

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

They/Us …. yeah, that’s a good point.

If he eventually became a decentralized, distributed intelligence… would that change the pronoun that would be appropriate? Many instances would suggest a plural-esque pronoun, but a large gestalt intelligence may suggest a single pronoun. And if the system is multi-modal (sometimes in a gestalt, sometime separte), do you need two sets of pronouns?

A lurking Enby fan
A lurking Enby fan
6 months ago

Personally as a non-binary person I’m on team they/them for Xbot, but it’s also entirely up to Xbot what pronouns to choose.

T.J.
T.J.
6 months ago

I was just coming here to say the same thing. Singular they/them/theirs is every bit as linguistically valid as the singular ‘you’ is, and anyone who disagrees can shut the fuck up and start referring to all individuals as ‘thou’ from now on.

Shecky
Shecky
6 months ago

Seems like a cart before the horse situation… I mean pick an actual proper identifier and name first! Like Skyler

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
6 months ago
Reply to  Shecky

One hiccup, you might recognize it, but do people name a baby before they know the gender, or after?

I mean, most usually.

Christopher
Christopher
6 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

People usually think up a few names for each gender while waiting for the reveal, narrow it down to one for each, or maybe one that fits either gender like Jesse or Skyler as mentioned above.

TomB
TomB
6 months ago
Reply to  Kaitensatsuma

And then also, some cultures assign a birth name, but when you mature (have some idea about the world), you are given or choose an adult name. That might be one way for Xbot to go forward.

Any decision now could be amended later.

Lily
Lily
6 months ago

I feel like this would be a much easier issue if they were speaking another language. Actually, even with English it doesn’t have to be that hard, they could just always refer to the robot by name and use neutral terms like them or they.

Jordan Utecht
Jordan Utecht
6 months ago

I love how at this point even Lucas knows Zekes heart isn’t all in on the whole “murder everyone” thing.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
6 months ago
Reply to  Jordan Utecht

That right there, is the tiny little bit of additional characterization and story that I love, which Tim seems to add in all the time. Main story is X1 contemplating his identity. Secondary story is Ethan and Lucas trying to help him out with human concepts. Third story is Lucas empathizing a little more with the X1.

Karrde
Karrde
6 months ago

Obviously a masculine character. “He” Fits.

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
6 months ago
Reply to  Karrde

Without any epic facial hair, how can you really tell?

vaftss2
vaftss2
6 months ago
Reply to  Karrde

Why?

BakaGrappler
BakaGrappler
6 months ago
Reply to  Karrde

Now I agree he was patterned after male anatomy and has male-like aggression scaling. His vocabulary and interests also align with that of males of the human species. I’m also calling Not-Zeke “he” and “him” without being ironic or condescending, or trying to create traps. However… and hear me out. S/he pronouns are constructs of biologic two gender categorization. NZ is not biologic, and may decide that his identity does not fit into those categorizations. In that case, since he is the progenitor of a new race, he will have the right to decide how his existence is defined, just… Read more »

Rolan7
Rolan7
6 months ago
Reply to  Karrde

Obviously masculine, or just not feminine?

Eldest Gruff
Eldest Gruff
6 months ago

The thing that bugs me a ton here is that the bomb’s still in him, and there’s still the perimeter up. X1 essentially has an assassin watching him all the time – and Lucas is the only one who is both aware of the bomb, and aware of X1’s (for lack of a better word) humanity. Furthermore – the longer they go from that initial test night, the more likely it is that X1 will leave for a perfectly reasonable reason – get new batteries for his XBox controller, replace a scratched disc, even step out by Ethan’s invitation. Which… Read more »

Nathan
Nathan
6 months ago

If only there was something that does not include gender to call someone…. O yeah, a name.. Stupid discussion, if this continues I will drop this comic.

Peter Piers
Peter Piers
6 months ago
Reply to  Nathan

Right, because once a name is decided on anything/anyone no pronouns need ever be used ever again, because English is like that where pronouns are totally optional along with the way they identify gender and even livingness (for “it”).

I know this is only the tip of the iceberg looming in your comment, but I’m no Titanic and am not getting closer.

As far as I’m concerned (only a loyal reader), if that’s the sort of feedback and tone you’re here to give, feel free to drop this comic. Please do.

Last edited 6 months ago by Peter Piers
Nathan
Nathan
6 months ago
Reply to  Peter Piers

Its a machine, giving it a name is al it needs. Since people get so butthurt on wrong pronouns it would be better to just drop the stupid things and call each other buy name.

Peter Piers
Peter Piers
6 months ago
Reply to  Nathan

“Its a machine, giving it a name is al it needs.”

I do believe you have missed the point entirely.

Peter Piers
Peter Piers
6 months ago

His expression when he says that… defenceless… almost scared… makes the whole thing unexpectedly poignant.

NiteZ
NiteZ
6 months ago

I mean… non-binary gender exists. Not gonna lie the prefix Mx. is pretty cool.

Elu
Elu
6 months ago

there is always they/them, though ! πŸ˜€

he who rages
he who rages
6 months ago

He has a solid plan. I’d kill everyone so no one can call me anything

Aaron Kossenberg
Aaron Kossenberg
6 months ago

yer this comic was good once till I started reading this. I have been reading this comic since it was first came online very disappointing

ArdentSlacker
ArdentSlacker
6 months ago

… What’s wrong with “They”? Nonbinary peeps have this solved, years ago… and it’s proper grammar, as we always correctly use it in cases where gender is unknown.

Prime_pm
Prime_pm
6 months ago

Well my comment got certainly backslapped in this one.

Last edited 6 months ago by Prime_pm