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Yes, there’s obviously no proof that climate change is happening…. Is this the right conference room for the propaganda bill?

Khaisz
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Khaisz

oh ffs, A Slot Machine is technically a “Surprise Mechanics”, but that doesn’t make it “Not a Gambling Machine”.
I seriously hope they doesn’t get a free pass to keep Loot Boxes in games just by saying it.

“The packs, the surprise—that’s fun for people,” she said. “They like earning the packs, opening the packs, building the teams, trading the teams.”

Replace Packs with Slots, Teams with money, Opening/Building/Trading with Spin/Win/Lose

“The slots, the surprise—that’s fun for people,” she said. “They like earning the slots, spinning the slots, winning the money, losing the money.”

Scortch
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Scortch

I think the thing for me lately is the level of greed they show, and how they sell it. This argument they are making just proves it. They won’t come out and say they are pushing for money, no no no, they are offering us opportunities for happiness. It’s gotten to be too much, I refuse to ever buy or play an EA game again, and I pray they lose their Star Wars deal in the future as well.

Padraic
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Padraic

They’ve gone beyond the DLCs and content packs of the past. It’s now all about how much money they can make. Hell, Tim did a comic about that a few weeks ago! And if someone who can possibly afford to buy all the best stuff the moment the game comes out, and then make it completely unplayable for everyone else, EA doesn’t care! They already got their money! Just look at ever f2p or p2w game app out there! If you want to see real anger, check out Ludia’s forums on the new Warriors of Waterdeep game they just put… Read more »

Tumbleweed
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Tumbleweed

Elon Musk: “It’s not a rocket failure, it’s just a rapid unscheduled disassembly” … all about how you reframe it.

Padraic
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Padraic

“Poor people used to live in slums. Now the economically disadvantaged occupy substandard housing in the inner cities. And they’re broke! They’re broke! They don’t have a negative cash-flow position. They’re fucking broke! Cause a lot of them were fired. You know, fired. management wanted to curtail redundancies in the human resources area, so many people are no longer viable members of the workforce.
Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins.” – George Carlin

WizardLocke
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WizardLocke

I was literally thinking this while I read the comic

Pedro Silva
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Pedro Silva

The main fallacy on the guys argument is when they mention “earning” and not “paying”. That is where the argument falls flat. If you play the game, beat by your skills X level or Y boss and you get a “surprise mechanics”, that is fair game. It’s not gambling or similar. It’s a random reward, for something that everyone could theoretically do, that is implemented in a visually appealing style and very similar to the monster drop on games like Diablo. The issue here is that you don’t earn them, you pay for them. And this makes the same surprise… Read more »

The rAt
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The rAt

Well put.

nealithi
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nealithi

Oh boy. Time to play Devils advocate. Collectible card packs. For say Magic the Gathering? Baseball cards?
Gambling and should be outlawed? Yes or No.

And honestly. I like the system they put in over in SWtOR. You can buy items directly for money. And unlock them for all your characters for money. Or for cheaper you can buy the random packs. They never drop in game. And your decision to get them is entirely your own.

Tee
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Tee

Collectible card packs. For say Magic the Gathering? Baseball cards?
Gambling and should be outlawed?

Yes!

Tales
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Tales

Gambling and should be outlawed no. The difference between a trading card game or any random prize pack for that matter, and digital loot rewards is physicality, you can buy, trade, and sell physical cards legally as once you buy them they are yours, you can’t so that with digital only goods that exist on a private companies servers. Also in say MtG packs you are always guaranteed to get a “rare” in any pack you buy, that is not true in loot boxes where most times to guarantee a rare you have to buy in multiplies of ten and… Read more »

Urazz
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Urazz

Yeah, lootboxes aren’t similar to trading cards or kinder eggs since you don’t get anything physical and can’t actually trade them or sell them for something you want/need.

DanVzare
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Here’s a perfect response for you.
The Game Corner in Pokemon was removed due to it being considered gambling. It involved no actual money, but it copied basic gambling mechanics (random chance of success).
Loot boxes also copies basic gambling mechanics (random chance of success), and also involve actual money, but are not considered gambling.

If you can explain to me why The Game Corner is not ok, and Lootboxes are, I will be greatly impressed.

Ewalker
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Ewalker

I am surprised he didn’t just use the games are services, not products argument. I figured they would say that loot boxes aren’t gambling because you can’t actually win anything in a loot box. Anything you “win” is still property of the developer/publisher/copyright/license holder and you are merely being allowed to use it like a service.

They have already made that ridiculous argument for the game itself, why not the loot boxes inside the game.

Padraic
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Padraic

With how they keep trying to find some sort of a way to puss-… oops, soft step, around these issues to deny that they are selling a gambling (“Pay more for possibly better stuff!” is the same mechanic you see in slot machines and craps tables) product.

“I’m telling you, some of this language makes me want to vomit. Well, maybe not vomit. Makes me want to engage in an involuntary personal protein spill.” – George Carlin

HonoredMule
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HonoredMule

Isn’t pussy-footing a reference to actual young cats, as their stature and timid nature result in a very light/soft step? I know it trips me up too, coming across some reference that actually isn’t sexual or sexist.

Padraic
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Padraic

I was trying for a bit of irony and sarcasm. It was meant to showcase how changing language changes the idea. Didn’t mean to confuse you. Sorry for slowing you down.

Him.
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Him.

They’ve been in this business so long that emotions (happiness, decency, grief) is “no longer a viable use of resources”

Daniel Kuehn
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Daniel Kuehn

Well, i was interested in this game but because EA held off on pre-ordering when my wife gave me the go-ahead. Seems like a good decision now.

Leon
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Leon

It’s not “flaming’, it’s “undesirable internet stress relief” Quite ethical.

Raven
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Raven

“I don’t think we can agree to say that games are addictive,” said Hopkins.

The WHO would beg to differ
https://www.who.int/features/qa/gaming-disorder/en/

Tales
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Tales

No see The WHO says that gaming is a mental disorder not just an addiction, the main takeaway point is that you can get disability if it’s a disorder, but if it’s an addiction you just get to pay to go to therapy.

FITCamaro
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FITCamaro

Yeah we have the World Health Organization (and the Obama Administration) to thank in the US for the massive explosion of Social Security Disability claims. Basically nearly anything that is classified as a “disability” get you on it now. You’re depressed? Free money. You “can’t stop playing games”? Free money.

Logan
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Logan

I wonder how much it pays.. Does it cover payments for these “surprize mechanics”? xD What else could this be milked for, I wonder (to try and change the assinine logic of WHO, of course).

HonoredMule
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HonoredMule

My surprise mechanic is not buying any EA title for the last 15 years. I didn’t even know it was a surprise, that I would decline to be so mistreated.

FITCamaro
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FITCamaro

While I despise many forms of loot boxes, and won’t even argue that they aren’t gambling, they still shouldn’t be illegal or regulated. Why? Don’t want to spend the money, don’t. It’s really quite that simple. Someone with a problem with that kind of reward should stay away from it. The same as an alcoholic should avoid drinking.

And for the children argument, be better parents and either don’t let your kid play the game or don’t give them access to money to buy them. If you do, that’s on you.

Resulli
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Resulli

Part of the problem is that unlike establishments like casinos or stores that sell lottery and scratch tickets is that the video game industry has little in the way of age verification and control. As it stands a parent can buy their kid a game they aren’t of-age for and everything checks out where other the previously mentioned establishments will literally turn you away if they think you’re allowing a child to gamble because it’s outright illegal. Doubled with the fact that most video games have no age verification beyond the ESRB rating it’s entirely too easy for children to… Read more »

FITCamaro
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FITCamaro

Also damn that dude must be packing if he’s inside her from that far away.

Kasaix
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Kasaix

They get paid enough to ignore things like fact, integrity, and pride to spout complete nonsense.
“It’s not stealing, it’s surprise borrowing. It’s quite ethical.”

Resulli
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Resulli

More and more lately it seems like companies are forgetting the fact that their entire industry is still supposed to be serving the consumers, not the companies. All too often I’m seeing companies doing things that are entirely within the rules but they aren’t taking the consumer’s wants or needs into account. They act like just because they aren’t breaking any laws that they aren’t doing anything wrong. Made worse by the fact that in spite of whatever publicity they may or may not be getting they’re still getting the money so they don’t think they should have to listen… Read more »

Lilitha
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Lilitha

Honestly, if it was just gambling it isn’t really even an issue. Adults can gamble. The biggest problem is when they target children.

Helldemon
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Helldemon

Probably the most pissed off I’ve seen Jim Sterling and that’s saying something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7DFyrOeFeM

Logan
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Logan

-They make us a promise that Fallen Order will not have “loot boxes”. Yay! -They turn around and have some random representative tell us about these “Surprise Mechanics”.(no doubts so they can throw under the bus later.. she looked way more stressed out than one should for simply having to tell a lie whole denying the real truth) Sketchy AF… I’m *highly” interested in Fallen Order. More so than I was for either BF, and maybe even a bit more than Unleashed when it first came out. But if Fallen Order ends up having these “Surprise Mechanics”, I will be… Read more »

Johnny
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Johnny

OE Tim!!….the person who said this was a women, but you just can’t put a women as the “bad person”, can’t you?….you little twat.