In his defense, the DM did choose to bring his fathers spirit into play, even if there was a reason. Anyone that’s ever played D&D should know better than to assume the party will choose the more logical choice.
Not even a colony of honeybees, just one honeybee and it didn’t even sting them. I can see all 3 of them killing each other trying to kill the honeybee out of fear.
This problem isn’t really caused by the dmpc though. Or more specifically, it has nothing to with Tobyn being a dmpc instead of [insert any sufficiently plot-related NPC that’d justify a resurrection quest]. It’d be the same situation if the party was on a quest to resurrect [Aylina, fated heir to the realm] or [Xarugan the Mad, the only wizard with the knowledge they need]. Dmpc or not, 3 has no particular need to bring Tobyn back. He was already willing to reroll, but then the party chose to go try and resurrect Tobyn instead. Don’t misread this quest as… Read more »
I don’t think that 3 would have foreseen this. Some DMs just get wrapped up in being Machiavellian. They forget that a complex a story is not a better story. That said, if this is related to the quest then this could easily be the end for this group. A lesson all DMs must learn is when to let co-incidence and player choice drive player engagement. Sometimes having no direction connection to a story leads to more memorable, and more enjoyable sessions. If this interaction ties into their current quest that engagement should be lost, because 1’s character has all… Read more »
3 said “I’ll just reroll”, that absolutely doesn’t mean he was willing to. He at that point didn’t have another choice. His character died. It’s either reroll or stick to DM. It’s then that the others (ok mostly 2) saw how sad he was about it and decided to try and find a way to bring him back. So this is not just a “hey just reroll another healer”-type of thing. It’s 4 friends who’ve been playing these characters a long time and have a bond. Tho 3 does seem the one to be the most emotionally invested in their… Read more »
Yeah I don’t think 1 has really thought this through. # has already shown a willingness to just troll the ever loving crap out of 3 with his father. I think this would ramp that behavior up a notch.
jack
10 months ago
that was clearly a message: DM, don’t make me choose between your dmpc or my character’s father. that choice has already been made.
Rolando
10 months ago
“Healing potion with eyeballs.” Decades of prejudice against healers, condensed into one short sentence. Awesome xD
“What’s that? You need healing? Desperately? I’d love to, but I’m very busy healing these blades of grass that someone trampled upon. As soon as they’re restored, you will be next on my list…unless Cake chips a nail again.”
“Look! A healer was mean to me! When all I did was disrespect, belittle and betray them over and over! Waaaah! I don’t like my actions having consequences I don’t enjoy! Healers suuuuck!”
(All similarities with some real life issue, are decidedly not a coincidence.)
Never a good idea to antagonize the loot mule either though, they might drop something, or, you know, turn that massive strength bonus against you in the form of an axeident 😉
Salty
10 months ago
That middle panel with the shading kinda looks like you pulled a Disney Little Mermaid VHS cover art hide in plain sight kinda thing.
Jimbers McTimbers
10 months ago
Drinking your dad would indeed be very odd
Ocramot
10 months ago
And here we can see the GM regretting to put the player in front of this moral “dilemma”
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In his defense, the DM did choose to bring his fathers spirit into play, even if there was a reason. Anyone that’s ever played D&D should know better than to assume the party will choose the more logical choice.
I mean, killing the other side faster IS the most powerful healing magic out there…
3 should have foreseen this.That’s why it’s never a good idea to be DM and PC at the same time 🙂
All of us DM’s have learnt that lesson the hard way unfortunately…..
Yeah, my DMPC lasted the whole of a single session. It wasn’t a good choice to put her in.
To be fair, 1/2/4 are so dysfunctional that if 3 didn’t play the healer, they’d get wiped by a colony of honeybees.
Not even a colony of honeybees, just one honeybee and it didn’t even sting them. I can see all 3 of them killing each other trying to kill the honeybee out of fear.
This problem isn’t really caused by the dmpc though. Or more specifically, it has nothing to with Tobyn being a dmpc instead of [insert any sufficiently plot-related NPC that’d justify a resurrection quest]. It’d be the same situation if the party was on a quest to resurrect [Aylina, fated heir to the realm] or [Xarugan the Mad, the only wizard with the knowledge they need]. Dmpc or not, 3 has no particular need to bring Tobyn back. He was already willing to reroll, but then the party chose to go try and resurrect Tobyn instead. Don’t misread this quest as… Read more »
^ What George said.
I don’t think that 3 would have foreseen this. Some DMs just get wrapped up in being Machiavellian. They forget that a complex a story is not a better story. That said, if this is related to the quest then this could easily be the end for this group. A lesson all DMs must learn is when to let co-incidence and player choice drive player engagement. Sometimes having no direction connection to a story leads to more memorable, and more enjoyable sessions. If this interaction ties into their current quest that engagement should be lost, because 1’s character has all… Read more »
3 said “I’ll just reroll”, that absolutely doesn’t mean he was willing to. He at that point didn’t have another choice. His character died. It’s either reroll or stick to DM. It’s then that the others (ok mostly 2) saw how sad he was about it and decided to try and find a way to bring him back. So this is not just a “hey just reroll another healer”-type of thing. It’s 4 friends who’ve been playing these characters a long time and have a bond. Tho 3 does seem the one to be the most emotionally invested in their… Read more »
Some DMs PC at the same time because none of their friends are ever willing to do the job, so it’s the only way to PC at all.
3 will be playing the father instead, but yes.
Yeah I don’t think 1 has really thought this through. # has already shown a willingness to just troll the ever loving crap out of 3 with his father. I think this would ramp that behavior up a notch.
that was clearly a message: DM, don’t make me choose between your dmpc or my character’s father. that choice has already been made.
“Healing potion with eyeballs.” Decades of prejudice against healers, condensed into one short sentence. Awesome xD
“What’s that? You need healing? Desperately? I’d love to, but I’m very busy healing these blades of grass that someone trampled upon. As soon as they’re restored, you will be next on my list…unless Cake chips a nail again.”
“Look! A healer was mean to me! When all I did was disrespect, belittle and betray them over and over! Waaaah! I don’t like my actions having consequences I don’t enjoy! Healers suuuuck!”
(All similarities with some real life issue, are decidedly not a coincidence.)
Never a good idea to antagonize the loot mule either though, they might drop something, or, you know, turn that massive strength bonus against you in the form of an axeident 😉
That middle panel with the shading kinda looks like you pulled a Disney Little Mermaid VHS cover art hide in plain sight kinda thing.
Drinking your dad would indeed be very odd
And here we can see the GM regretting to put the player in front of this moral “dilemma”
potions ain’t cheap, dude
Suddenly no place is offering healing potions. Strange.
3 is regretting last strip’s smirk right now.
Last Panal: Le Backfire.
I don’t play DnD are healers actually that useless or is 1 just being a jerk