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A Difference Of Opinion, p2

March 13, 2019 by Tim


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Ghostforge
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Ghostforge

geez Ethan, can you *be* any more obvious?

Nextgener
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Nextgener

goddamit, I’m sorry, but I REALLY hate this type of character trope. It’s not an argument when Hero’s are saving the place from Villain’s. Which this universe has a clear abundance of.

It’s such a brain dead way of thinking I just wanna smack every moron on this “Hero’s are bad because bad stuff happen’s”. It’s just a false way of raising tension without offering any argument to the alternative.

well atleast now we know why this relationship clearly won’t work. Knew it would happen, was hoping it would be handled better.

dragotx
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dragotx

Honestly, her opinion is exactly what I would expect from someone that has experienced what she says she has in this strip, but never seen/been affected worse by a villain. It’s entirely plausible that with as many heroes as are running around, none of the villains have managed to escalate to the level of threatening the entire city/world, and have been stopped before causing mass damage/disruption.

Kinsai
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Kinsai

I mean, this was also the entire premise of Civil War, so if it’s a “dumb” trope, at least Tim is in good company.

Skull the Troll
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Skull the Troll

Yup, what made Civil War interesting was that they didn’t try the Winter Soldier, or get him a lawyer. Until that moment I was totally on Iron Mans side, after that, nope.

PseudoNhymm
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PseudoNhymm

Guns R bad, mmmm-kay?

It might be a “brain dead way of thinking” (as you put it), but it is absolutely a realistic reflection of fairly common opinions.

The Legacy
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The Legacy

You’re forgetting one thing…

https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-04-18/

This isn’t a newsflash.

Killiak
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Killiak

What a simplistic approach. I bet she’d go protesting against city hall too, all angry because the city isn’t oufitting its police well enough to deal with people who can run at the speed of light or lift a 40t truck with their left pinky.
Lots of fallacies in her reasoning, but I suppose Ethan has never been good with reasoning and debate πŸ™‚

Lily
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Lily

People can say she is making a bad argument but I think we all seen far worse arguments made by people when it comes to things like politics. At least it is a coherent argument.

Eshmael
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Eshmael

Did you ever recognise, that the police just cost us a lot of money? And there are crimes anyway…

foducool
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foducool

tim, you meant reckless fly-bys?

Eldest Gruff
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Eldest Gruff

Fair point. It’s the classic Batman argument; that super villains escalate to that level BECAUSE Superheroes exist.

Though Omnitropolis seems to at least govern / control their heroes. You have vigilantes like DPad and Analog, and then there are the Captains. Probably more controlled mayhem.

Anyways, it’s not like Ethan and Lucas haven’t caused the odd pothole or two…

https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-02-21/

James Rye
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James Rye

Imagine going to work and then sitting in your car driving into this road and seeing this giant hole being all “goddamn heroes…I am going to be late to work again.” xD

Him.
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Him.

Tim actually did a comic with that premise ^-^
“I’m going to be late dear, police commandeered the car again. Yes, the groceries too. Don’t get me started…”
Or something to that effect, I can’t find the link.

James Rye
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James Rye

Can’t remember that comic. Was it from a game?

Darkening
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Darkening

Yeah, it’s a Crackdown reference. https://www.engadget.com/2007/02/25/ctrl-alt-del-crackdown-comics/ Can see it there if you like.

Jacob Keller
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Jacob Keller

I can see how it can be a bad argument on her part, but i feel like we haven’t heard here whole side of the story yet. Also given her personal experience with her mom getting injured from a superhero fighting a villain, i can uinderstand her anger over it. If her mom was to have been killed would she have a better argument against it?

Also i would love to see her become a villain in the future and really she doesnt like heroes because they are always thwarting her.

Jesse Wan
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Jesse Wan

“Who knew evil girls had the prettiest face?” – Lucid Dreams (Forget Me) by Juice WRLD

Eldest Gruff
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Eldest Gruff

Also – I just realized that this is also a much more personal issue for Ethan, other than the fact that he’s also a superhero.

He and Lucas got into being superheroes specifically because there weren’t any superheroes around when his sister died, and that if there were, she might be alive today. So he’s coming to this from the opposite spectrum.

Though, to play Devil’s Advocate – have Ethan and Lucas really saved any lives? That is, saved any lives that weren’t first put into danger by Supers or because of Supers to begin with?

EMMachine
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EMMachine

Hm, what do we have until now in case of villans. The regular small criminals like housebreakers and robbers. “The red ring of death” with Zeke, who mostly cause property damage on electronical devices. The guy with the gamingglove who was mostly a robber That “Troll” who really tried to kill people and we don’t know, how this story will continue. And Elijah, who is mostly causing property damage the “Poison Trafficker spaying. So the only case of saving lifes was in the case of the “Troll” who got injured himself, but its the question if Analog and D-Pad where… Read more »

inverted4life
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inverted4life

“have Ethan and Lucas really saved any lives? That is, saved any lives that weren’t first put into danger by Supers or because of Supers to begin with?”

Yes. Very first issue, the Red Ring were going to kill a woman for her not letting them destroy her tablet.
https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-01-10/

Him.
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Him.

A&D are mostly small scale, but the Troll and the Red Ring both have and would continue to cause destruction of property on a massive scale and life. Red Ring not so much until after the events of the first issue, but the Troll would have probably slaughtered dozens more before he died of more natural causes or even before he was caught.
Black Hat and Elijah were both largely non-violent criminals (if you even consider Elijah a criminal), so they didn’t save any lives there.

James Rye
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James Rye

Damn! Imagine having a child getting crushed under debris from a fight between a hero and a super-villain. Or having your wife cook in the kitchen near a window, superhero flies by, shatters window and the glasses end up in one of your wife’s eyes, blinding her. Or imagine your insurance being thrice as high as your cousin living in a superhero-free city. Man, this is good foundation for “anti-superhero” politics though given that the “Vigilante law” exists I guess this means society is in large superhero-positive and friendly. Ethan took this a bit better than I expected him to,… Read more »

Him.
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Him.

Or maybe its just that superheroes tend to be in metropolitan cities, and no one in that universe knows that a city with superheroes vs a city without superheros only has like a 25% higher rent and cost of living and such. The rest is just because you are living in the city.
Not the point trying to be made, but its interesting.

Sebastian
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Sebastian

I see here argumet faulty:
Normal police fights normal criminals.
Super heroes are fighting super-criminals / villains.

The super villains and super heroes are two side of the coin ‘super powers’. Normal police wouldn’t have chance.
You have to remove the whole coin.

ImperatorRuscal
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ImperatorRuscal

This is actually a pretty common “supers” trope, all the way around to the on-the-nose implementation in Watchmen (literally, “who watches the watchmen”). It’s even something that we see have a major shaping hand in the DC and Marvel universes. Who provides overwatch on the supers. There will inevitably be some form of a Superhero/Vigilante Registration Act that requires the masks to at least register themselves (sometimes fully unmask and go public) and operate under an established structure (often as an arm of the local or federal police). Rarely do such stories start out with “get rid of the supers”… Read more »

Uncle Jaded
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Uncle Jaded

It has been explored in a lot of sources and I agree that it can make interesting stories. I don’t expect it to be explored deeply here, more of using it as a friction point for the plot. You get interesting takes like by having an official structure you also have official training to avoid / reduce collateral damage just like the cops do. Or there are social safety nets to account for the increased property damage / health insurance costs. Or how building codes would be changed to take into account the supers. It would all depend on when… Read more »

inverted4life
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inverted4life

Yes. Super villains would show up, and the police would… Get themselves killed because they’re regular people with handguns, and then the super villains would go unchecked and way more people would die compared to your mom having her leg broken. Great argument. ?

NNextremNN
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NNextremNN

But is Ethan any better then a regular police men? Sure he can respawn but otherwise he is pretty average. Compare this to people who do this every day. Who had intensive training and expensive equipment. Any policemen should be just as good or even better then Ethan.

ArthurRex12
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ArthurRex12

Not when it comes to villains like Obliteron or the Red Ring of Death, or even Lex Luthor, who the police can’t touch because of his political connections and money.

halosty
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halosty

Police generally try to avoid being in fights at all. Not that that’s a bad thing, but in terms of actual combat experience a police officer will usually be pretty compared to someone who can go into a fight and actually die and still learn from the experience.

Keith
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Keith

I remember reading an indie comic (can’t remember the name) about a year ago that semi-addressed the collateral damage issue. They had superheroes and each superhero had a sidekick; hardly any noticeable collateral damage. The problem was the superheroes hogged the spotlight and treated the sidekicks like trash (one example, one hero was rich, while his sidekick was about to be evicted because he couldn’t get a job due to superhero commitments and the superhero wouldn’t provide money to pay the rent or house him in his mansion). Once all sidekicks got fed up with the situation and went on… Read more »

Croi
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Croi

Was it Hero By Night?

Keith
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Keith

I have not heard of that comic until you mentioned it. Will have a look into it.

Found the name of the comic. It was called “Side-kicked”.

Martin
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Martin

Yawn, ANOTHER storyline on Ethan et al? The whole Wintereenmas storyline wasn’t that exciting/funny, and now this? I’m still waiting for some Starcaster action – one way/format or another…

Timothy
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Timothy

Don’t mind me, I’m just sitting here eating popcorn waiting for the show to start

Beth
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Beth

Not to be that Gal, but..

..Wreckless is spelled incorrectly, Tim. πŸ˜›

Third panel.

Beth
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Beth

*Reckless

Enquier
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Enquier

Like that you are taking a non standard approach to this story Tim!

CombatMagi
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CombatMagi

Methinks Emily will only need to roll a 2 on a sense motive or insight because Ethan obviously just rolled a nat 1 on keeping his composure.

Vukodlak
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Vukodlak

I don’t think her first guess would be. “You’re a super hero” it’d be you or someone close to you was saved by a super hero.

Vedrit
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Vedrit

Ya know what I think would be neat? For someone like her – who holds such an opinion – to find that Ethan – who she likes – has superpowers, and his reasons for being a vigilante.

The whole “I’m not doing it just because I can or to stop the bad guy” perspective would probably have a significant impact on her own view of it all. Plus make the previous arc of him overcoming his own doubts feel that much more impactful on Ethan as a character.

But that’s just, like, my opinion, man.

DoctorRicker
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DoctorRicker

Tim, regardless of what folks say, it’s your story and we’re all willingly along for the ride. Keep on keeping on how you see fit sir! Personally, I’m loving the refreshed universe and laugh at the luck Ethan keeps having! πŸ™‚

Kaitensatsuma
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Kaitensatsuma

Those all seem like legitimate complaints to have about Superheroes and Supervillains.

I mean, it isn’t as if Superheroes tend to be proactive enough to keep Captain SkullFucker from breaking out of jail and continuing his rampage of kitten stealing and bank robbing.

Chad
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Chad

C’mon Ethan, don’t be such a D-Pad. ;P

halosty
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halosty

At least she has reasons to back up her opinion, and while she doesn’t seem to like superheroes at least she doesn’t seem to be on the ‘all superheroes are criminals who should be locked up’ train.
She also doesn’t (knowingly) have any connection to superheroes so she doesn’t have any way to empathize with them.

ConcernedCitizen
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ConcernedCitizen

Random, but anyone else wishing the comic strips were “higher res” for those of us with “high res monitors” (even on my 1920×1080 15″ laptop monitor it’s pretty small)… comic gets pretty hard to read without zooming (and distorting)

Arcatus
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Arcatus

One of those things that I haven’t noticed… but now that I notice it I can’t unnotice.

Damn you.

Seriously, though; I personally don’t think the resolution is too low res on an average day to day strip, but some occasional scenes could be nice to have in high-res.

Like this one
https://cad-comic.com/comic/the-starcaster-chronicles-06-21/
or
https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-05-21/

Jon
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Jon

I think this makes sense. I know everyone is “But if my true identity was revealed, then my family/friends would be targeted! If you cared about them so much, why risk getting killed? Or faxcing villains who should be bloody smart enough to go right for the mask? It’s not really sensible. Heroes who use that excuse to avoid being kept tabs on are more like petulant brats who don’t bneliebe in the law they are upholding, in my opinion. Spidey might be fun to read, but he sometimes comes off as the menace that Jameson paints him as, when… Read more »

Stoneward
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Stoneward

Wow, quite the turn of events. I certainly applaud you Tim for being able to take all of the feedback from the community in stride considering we don’t have a full site picture yet!

While I hope that things turn out differently I definitely hope that Ethan finds a good piece of pizza.

Lincoln
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Lincoln

Talking of the whole “Do Supers just make it worse for the common folk” reminds me of Garth Ennis’ graphic novel series ” The Boys”… But with less people-getting-put-into-a-wall…

ValentinesAshes
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ValentinesAshes

Sorry, Lincoln. I literally just read your post on The Boys, having only just posted one of my own as if it were an original thought (which it apparently wasn’t). Just thought I’d drop you a quick message to apologise for attempting to steal your thunder or whatever – it was entirely unintentional.

ValentinesAshes
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ValentinesAshes

I’ve never commented on any of these comics before, but I thought I’d just throw it out there that if you want to see a really, really dark view of superheroes, then have a read of The Boys comic by Garth Ennis and Darick Robertson. In fact, you don’t need a reason, just plain have a read of it, as it’s a fantastically written story.

Charles Scaringello
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Charles Scaringello

It has been a while, and I won’t get to re-read the ‘back issues’ until at least this weekend to see if this is conclusively ruled out, but … Green eyes, green shirt, a job that nets her back door/room access to most every business in town, knowledge of local micro and macro shipping patterns and schedules … Is she secretly the mastermind behind the Zeke robots? Perhaps this universe’s incarnation of Wife-of-Zeke (the actually-kill-all-humans one made out of an XBox 360)?
By that token, I suppose we’ve never seen her and Captain Prime in the same place & time.

Ven
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Ven

Soooo…the heroes should have just let the villains KILL her mother and DESTROY her apartment then? Because the police have TOTALLY got this under control.

Keith
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Keith

I like the part where everyone in the comments section got all crazy entrenched in real life debate over superheroes and cops and completely forgot to enjoy the comic that helps them not be bored at work for that 45 seconds. Why so serious? :-S

t209
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t209

So apparently Damage Control, or agency responsible for compensation and repairs for damages in Superhero Fight, doesn’t exist?
Assuming if the CEO didn’t paid the villains, and maybe heroes, to destroy building to jack up premiums. Like the time when Nitro was given power juice that destroyed large chunk of Stamford and a playground.