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Brannigan, p2

November 30, 2022 by Tim


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Thraxas
Thraxas
2 months ago

Uhh the burn.

The Legacy
The Legacy
2 months ago
Reply to  Thraxas

That wasn’t a burn… that was an incineration!

Last edited 2 months ago by The Legacy
Mike
Mike
2 months ago
Reply to  The Legacy

You might say that Ethan chopped his legs right out from under him….

Fred
Fred
2 months ago
Reply to  Mike

That was low, man, very low.

Some might say wheelchair low.

Nanaki404
Nanaki404
1 month ago
Reply to  Fred

I can’t stand those kind of jokes

MRD
MRD
1 month ago
Reply to  Fred

Well played, sir.

Eustace J. Twatwaffle
Eustace J. Twatwaffle
1 month ago
Reply to  MRD

We’re on a roll,I see…

CTOWNS
CTOWNS
1 month ago
Reply to  Thraxas

w0w what great dea1, I make sure I w0rk on PC(Computer PC)

MRD
MRD
1 month ago
Reply to  Thraxas

If she needs more money I can put her in contact with a Nigerian prince who wants to give all his money away.

P2Mc28
Member
P2Mc28
1 month ago
Reply to  Thraxas

I’m going to get to the bottom of this damnable bot using my name. It causes me pain each time I scroll into the comments. I think my most recent mistake was updating my email, thinking the account alone would prevent my username from being available… Let’s try this now. Hopefully next comment section will be sans one bot using my name…

Last edited 1 month ago by P2Mc28
Robert L
Robert L
1 month ago
Reply to  P2Mc28

You need to change the email with gravitar

P2Mc28
Member
P2Mc28
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert L

I’m not sure that would accomplish anything. I could remove the old email from the gravitar account, but then that image I uploaded to it just… goes away? I’ve attached a *new* email to the gravitar account, and originally set that one up for the CAD account, but swapped it back to the old one when I realized using a different email defeats the purpose of trying to stop the bot from using it. Here’s hoping that having the email that the bot is trying to use assigned to me, a registered user, will stop it. We’ll see on Friday’s… Read more »

R77
R77
2 months ago

*ouch* point made.

…and …

Man what a nice story build up. I was wondering where the Deathblood arc was leading to. Nice!

Cragfast
Cragfast
2 months ago
Reply to  R77

What point? Scott hasn’t killed any people that we know of.

Casper Hansen
Casper Hansen
2 months ago
Reply to  Cragfast

He intended to kill someone. I don’t think failing at a murder makes this point any less apt.

Teocali
Teocali
2 months ago
Reply to  Casper Hansen

The point is, Scoot didn’t see Zeke as a people, so, no, he is not a murderer

Dylan
Dylan
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

By that logic, any murderer that didn’t consider their victims people would also not be murderers. in fact lots of murders do consider their victims subhuman. Not great logic bud.

Dehnus
Dehnus
2 months ago
Reply to  Dylan

Sadly, that is exactly how movements like Esoteric Nazism work 🙁 . They don’t consider their targets of hatred “people” and thus feel they should get away from consequences.

ThisIsNotDan
ThisIsNotDan
1 month ago
Reply to  Dehnus

And the modern pro-choice/pro-abortion movement shows that the same logic is alive and well even in “civilized” society.

Dom
Dom
2 months ago
Reply to  Dylan

Or when every time we close a game, we kill the people and world inside it? Not the best examples from the commenter you replied to you, indeed.

Tracker
Tracker
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

That’s a dangerous line of reasoning.

Lots of people see others as sub human or not even human, that doesn’t give them carte blanche to murder freely.

if nothing else, Zeke was showing signs of humanity, and was a borderline case, if it was publicly known there’d be a huge court proceeding to define whether or not they fit the criteria for life and whether or not it could be euthanised without repurcussion.

didn’t see deathblood tying into this so soon.

superkamimarvin
superkamimarvin
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

hitler didnt see the jews as people either … same with slavers during the slavery era … this is “DANGEROUS” teritory you just wanderd into

Jack0r
Jack0r
2 months ago

Thing is, the line needs to be drawn somewhere. Our current line is “Human is what biologically counts as human, as in, can mate and produce offspring with humans, or is descended from someone who can”. Dumb definition, but that’s the line biology uses to separate species from one another. In the real world, this line suits us fairly well so far. Some kinds of fiction like to test the boundaries of this line. Common tropes here are “This synthetic life form is, technically, not even life (as in, consists only of inanimate matter), but thinks like a human. Should… Read more »

Ben
Ben
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

So as long as it is not human, signs of sentience and sapience be damned, you can kill it?

Buddy Lee
Buddy Lee
1 month ago
Reply to  Ben

Babies in a womb?

Jack0r
Jack0r
1 month ago
Reply to  Ben

Do you eat meat? Then you are using the sentience-rule. Do you have an enslaved, captive animal at home (meaning a pet)? Then you are using the sentience-rule. Do you put up mouse traps or other devices that kill pests? Then you are using the sentience-rule. As long as you don’t value any kind of life on this planet as exactly the same as the life of a human, you are drawing a line. Any kind of line-drawing is inherently fuzzy and wrong in detail. Because we are talking about a spectrum, and not about finite points. For example: What… Read more »

Mike
Mike
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Zeke is easily at least as valuable as a dog, especially since he responds the same way to abuse. I wouldn’t want to be the one to choose, but Zeke is also more valuable than any one dog just for being a completely unique technological achievement.

Robert
Robert
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Current AI gets nowhere close to what Zeke can do. I may not be able to define where the line is but I’m quite confident Zeke is over it.

Paradox
Paradox
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

“Dumb definition, but that’s the line biology uses to separate species from one another.”

Except it doesn’t

Look up a Cama, a camal/llama hybrid, they are fully fertile and capable of reproducing (unlike many other hybrids) and they aren’t even the same animal, let alone species

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

You’re saying that he’s potentially not sentient, but also attributing potential intentions. Are toddlers sentient? They have little more than rudimentary responses to basic stimuli and have no sense of self or motivation. Yet any one of them could grow up to be the worst dictator in history. Any one of them could also grow up to believe that the best way of dealing with the problems of the world is to simply shoot anyone who they don’t like or want to blame for social issues, just like Deathblood. Should we install some equivalent of a kill-switch on all toddlers… Read more »

jean-sébastien leclerc
jean-sébastien leclerc
1 month ago
Reply to  ShonaSoF

Can’t exactly compare the two. Zeke had a humanity genocide planned. A killswitch in such circumstance is valid.

Dorander
Dorander
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Woah. You got downvoted pretty heavily for making a very good point. It’s all too easy to see Zeke as human because the fictional comic has written him that way, but that’s all projection. I’ve discussed this subject with quite a few people, and something amazingly interesting and inconsistent always happens. Everyone always agrees eventually than an AI sufficiently advanced enough to truly develop unique behaviour through learning, for lack of a better term “transcending” their code, ought to be afforded the same human rights because their behaviour is indistinguishable from that of humans at that point. Yet simultaneously they… Read more »

Stef
Stef
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Man, what is with these comment sections. any comment that does a bit of critical thinking gets downvoted. I’ve never seen a more hatefull comment section than on CAD. It’s like people here downvote any post that isn’t 100% in line with their own thoughts.

Jack0r
Jack0r
1 month ago
Reply to  Stef

Yeah, that’s the thing with fan-sections. If people are too much of a fan-boy, they can’t see past what they are a fan of. They love Zeke (which I totally get), so anyone arguing against his position feels to them like pissing all over the character. I tried to show in the beginning of the post, that I am not critiquing the comic or the characters (which are great, otherwise I wouldn’t be checking for new comics almost daily for 15 years). I’m talking about the real-world application. It’s the same with other media: I love Iron Man, but if… Read more »

Jamie
Jamie
1 month ago
Reply to  Stef

I don’t know how tapping the “didn’t like this comment” button is hateful exactly? It’s a loose indication of the opinions of the chat, not an attack.

Aristo Platotle
Aristo Platotle
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

A lot of comments talk about Zeke being human, but it does not seem to be the point. Is it not the reverse? The plot asking if we are empathetic enough to respect the life of any being, even non-human, Empathy being a defining trait for “Humanity” in a lot of works talking about morality. If you are empathetic only to humans it is easy to dehumanize anything and anybody for an easy justification. That is where the numerous real life and atrocious exemples enter the scene. And yes the reverse is true, if Zeke looked like a potato communicating… Read more »

Derfman1963
Derfman1963
2 months ago

When did the slavery era end. Still happening all over the world… including here in the good old USA. Now yes, the sex slave trade is illegal, but it still is happening.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

There it is: the worst take I’ll see on the internet today.

Nice to get it out of the way first thing in the morning, I guess…?

scottsmom
scottsmom
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

I don’t see you as a human since you’re obviously a sociopath. Should I be allowed to strike you down where you stand?

Snowfae
Snowfae
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

Why hello Emet Selch! I didn’t know you read CAD too! 😀

“I do not consider you to be truly alive. Ergo, I will not be murder if I kill you.” – Emet Selch, FFXIV

Seriously dude, really examine that line of thought. Really fucking hard. Seriously. ._.

Eodyne
Eodyne
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

That’s soooooo not how that works.

Ashi
Ashi
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

The ONLY point I will say in this defense (because it is simply HORRIBLE), is that from a strict modern legalistic standpoint, it’s accurate. I remember hearing about a trick question in a law school exam about charging someone with murder for killing Flipper. The answer was “Not Guilty because murder is the unlawful death of a PERSON.”

ouRKaoS
ouRKaoS
2 months ago
Reply to  Ashi

Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it’s right.

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
2 months ago
Reply to  Ashi

If you want to go for strict legalistic standpoints, you should probably use them more accurately. You’re correct that murder does require a person, but that still implies relying on the law’s definitions of a person. (And whether Zeke does fall under that, and/or if the law should be updated for beings like him), However, Teocali’s statement went way beyond that (and into far uglier realms), suggesting that killing wouldn’t be murder as long as the murderer simply doesn’t consider the victim a person. That’s wrong in all aspects, as even in the ‘needs to be person for murder’ reasoning,… Read more »

Ashi
Ashi
1 month ago
Reply to  GeorgeV

I DID say his take was horrible, did I not?

Paradox
Paradox
2 months ago
Reply to  Ashi

Not guilty of muder perhaps, but still guilty of crimes

Darkhorse
Darkhorse
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

The thing is that he didn’t need to use the killswitch. He clearly had the power to turn things on or off. This could be automated the same way as the kill switch. Cross the line and turn off body or other.

It was the equivalent of a business exploding a bomb in their servers when they misbehave. Instead you could turn the servers off, restart them, restart the programs, limit authorisation and much more. With ZK there were plenty of options to choose from, but only the killswitch was considered.

WesleyRiot
WesleyRiot
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

zeke isnt a people! he is a walking xbox. you cant murder a computer 🙂

leduk
leduk
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

Yeah, he’s not the first to decide that a living thing wasnt “people” and that’s not an excuse, not even close

Jack0r
Jack0r
1 month ago
Reply to  leduk

So, you don’t eat meat, I guess?
Or plants? Aren’t plants living things as well?

Mike
Mike
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

All things made of grow & dividing cells, including individual cells, are life. But to take nourishment from a kill is what redeems the violence of Nature. Had Scott downloaded all of Zeke’s mind into another computer -which was established as impossible because the software was constantly changing- then he would have the excuse of “eating” Zeke. Even then, he ought to be fired for unofficial vandalism of store property (they confiscated Zeke from a super-villain and don’t have an actual legal claim) and assault. As is, Scott can’t even claim he was transferring Zeke to a more secure containment… Read more »

Ben
Ben
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

I don’t see you as human so…

Copplebronch Plondersnicket
Copplebronch Plondersnicket
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

damn you’re getting a lot of hate for this line, lol

however, you’re not completely wrong, Scott might not see Zeke as a people, and so is not a murderer. But he is being judged by his peer, Ethan, who does consider Zeke a person.
Same wtih the court of law

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
2 months ago

Scott not seeing Zeke as a person only means Scott doesn’t think of himself as a murderer. It doesn’t really change anything about whether he actually would be one.

Don’t confuse ‘If it isn’t a person, killing them isn’t murder’ with ‘It’s not murder if you doesn’t think of them as a person’. Only the first one is technically valid (though it does rely on actually confirming they aren’t a person first), the latter is basically claiming you can’t be a criminal as long as you don’t think you are.

ThatMageGuy
ThatMageGuy
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

I’m sympathetic to Scott because of his trauma and because I recognize the cultural difficulty humanity would face in accepting an artificial sentience as a person, but no, “not seeing someone as a person” does -not- justify killing them. What the actual f is wrong with you. Do you type with your white hood on, or do you only wear it to rallies?

Timmeh
Timmeh
2 months ago
Reply to  ThatMageGuy

The worst part is this type of mentality has been so normalized that the white hood is no longer needed.

Think about every police killing. The first line of defense is that the person killed by the police was guilty of something, therefore not human, therefore not murder.

Xanthicirs
Xanthicirs
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

And white supremacists don’t see black people as people either, but as property. So we just gonna let them slide when they kill someone?

Timmeh
Timmeh
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

Cool motive, still murder.

Ya know, this was the exact excuse that humans used to kill infants under 2, slaves, neurodivergent peeps, women, foreigners, etc. “We don’t see them as people, so it is totally ok.” -Andrew Jackson, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, etc. (probably).

Pulse
Pulse
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

glad to see youre a supporter of peta and their pet killing spree

Lily
Lily
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

I don’t think the argument here is that Scott doesn’t see Zeke as a person and so he isn’t a murderer. Rather he might be a murderer but he isn’t a complete lost cause like Death Blood. That he really messed up, and he was wrong, but maybe he can come back and fix it. He ‘might’ be a murderer, but he isn’t Death Blood.

Casra
Casra
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

So many historical atrocities must be okay to you then, because the people who committed them did not see their victims as “people…”

Dorander
Dorander
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

You’re getting a lot of flak so I’m going to play devil’s advocate for a second and give you at least the benefit of the doubt. First, to avoid any confusion, let me make clear what I am NOT saying: I am NOT saying that whether or not somebody is a person is up to the personal persective of a would-be killer. It is not that subjective and it is not that arbitrary. However, once we’ve acknowledged that, we also need to check what is *actually the case* regarding a victim’s personhood, in this particular case, Zeke’s. The question before… Read more »

Jack0r
Jack0r
1 month ago
Reply to  Dorander

Thanks for the write-up. I tried to do something similar, but I couldn’t get the point across. There is a line (and needs to be a line) that separates beings, to which the human rights apply, and beings, where it doesn’t. In legal practice, the line includes all humans that are old enough to not qualify for abortion any more. Since the rule “humans are worth protecting, but other animals are not” is unsatisfying, it prompts the next question: “Why? What qualifies humans for human rights?”. And here we get terms like sentience or free will. These terms are arbitrary… Read more »

grat
grat
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

I’m certain Deathblood uses the same rationalization. So did the English, Spanish and Portuguese when dealing with indigenous people. It’s the (unintentional) implication of the MAGA movement– that liberals aren’t “real Americans”, and don’t deserve protection.

Buddy Lee
Buddy Lee
1 month ago
Reply to  grat

There’s also a right to life/abortion argument in here somewhere.

Let’s see if the mods are brave enough to let this comment post.

Teocali
Teocali
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

Oh, Hell, I got fucking downvoted to hell…
I forgot a part in my sentence. I wanted to say “so, no, in his mind, he is not a murderer

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
2 months ago
Reply to  Cragfast

Boy I hope people who think like you aren’t in charge if we ever meet actual aliens. Greedy/hateful people will always skew that definition to favor whatever profits them. “They weren’t ‘people’ so dissection/experimentation/stealing their technology is _fine_.”

Stein
Stein
2 months ago
Reply to  Cragfast

Careful people here are the same ones that would cry if their smart phone died but not shed a tear and laugh watching someone being stupid get eaten by a shark.

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
1 month ago
Reply to  Stein

Jokes on you – I’d only cry that I couldn’t get it on my dead smart phone.

Egg
Egg
1 month ago
Reply to  Cragfast

Talk about whooosh

Nightdagger
Nightdagger
2 months ago

Uhh…well then, that’s not where I expected this to go, but he makes a very strong point there, doesn’t he?

Teocali
Teocali
2 months ago
Reply to  Nightdagger

Don’t think so. I think the key point in the future of this conversation would be the definition of “people”

Cragfast
Cragfast
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

BuT hItLeR!!!!!

Matt Braddock
Matt Braddock
2 months ago
Reply to  Cragfast

Godwin’s Law has hereby been invoked.
3 comments in.
Wow.

Cragfast
Cragfast
2 months ago
Reply to  Matt Braddock

1) That was sarcasm, genius. Werent the alternating caps a clue?
2) superkamimarvin Godwinned 7 hours ago.

Timmeh
Timmeh
1 month ago
Reply to  Cragfast

Ya… using sarcasm when talking about genocide is ALWAYS the way to go.

jack
jack
1 month ago
Reply to  Matt Braddock

i love the logic that invoking godwin’s law has the same effect on an argument that kicking someone in the balls has on a boxing match

leduk
leduk
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

Intelligent sentient life-form able to communicate very clearly?

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
2 months ago
Reply to  Teocali

Boy I hope people who think like you aren’t in charge if we ever meet actual aliens. Greedy/hateful people will always skew that definition to favor whatever profits them.

Esc
Esc
1 month ago
Reply to  Teocali

If scott didn’t think Zeke was a person at all he would have just popped that button and felt zero remorse.

Even his admission that “this wasn’t how it was supposed to happen” means he is at least giving Zeke some sliver of humanity.

Martin
Martin
2 months ago
Reply to  Nightdagger

I love that I didn’t see this coming, but it’s so obvious looking back.

GUNnibal
GUNnibal
2 months ago

Yeah, point made, but can I just ask… why is there a sphincter on the wall behind Scott? I know that quite a few people would call me a bit of an asshole after what happened, I just didn’t think he’d be that self-conscious about it.

Killiak
Killiak
2 months ago
Reply to  GUNnibal

“The painting is representation of how I can touch my sphincter…. but how I can never really feel it anymore.”

Merida
Merida
2 months ago

Guess Ethan learned how to punch.

Gonfrask
Gonfrask
2 months ago

In that case it was quite clear that the gang members were more than predisposed to cause harm later, even when killing the same guy more than one time show no real effect.

Ok Ethan…and what did you do? Followed Blood and kill him?

Blackthorne
Blackthorne
2 months ago
Reply to  Gonfrask

Ok Ethan…and what did you do? Followed Blood and kill him?

Uh, no. Because not killing people is Ethan’s point here.

Gonfrask
Gonfrask
2 months ago
Reply to  Blackthorne

I hope it is. But Ethan looks so broken…that moment when the hero moral code fall apart…
I’m really intrigued for potential flashbacks

Thanatos
Thanatos
2 months ago
Reply to  Gonfrask

Or he went through a series of rapid deaths (which we already know he remembers and experiences fully) while people he was trying to protect get murdered in a more permanent way as he is completely helpless to do anything. This following the incident in which his friend attempted to murder his friend who he was attempting to protect and had made progress in rehabilitating. I’m pretty sure that would put some mental strain on a person.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
2 months ago
Reply to  Gonfrask

Absolutely. Those gang members were definitely not “hypothetically” going to cause harm later. They were definitely going to. Deathblood still wasn’t wrong about them.

Which just makes Scott worse by comparison. Kinda hope Ethan gets to throw that in Scott’s face.

leduk
leduk
2 months ago

Death penalty is barbaric by itself, but mass murdering vigilante is even worse.

Dorander
Dorander
1 month ago
Reply to  leduk

I’ve been on the other side of such comments during the Deathblood comics and the “discussion” on whether or not he was right but I have to point out in this case that one needs to make a distinction between the guilt and the punishment. Deathblood may have been wrong about the death penalty for any crime he thought was severe enough, but he was not wrong regarding predictions of the criminal gang’s behaviour in terms of guilt. In fact, real life law enforcement acts upon the very same premise: that if you don’t stop a pattern of criminal behaviour… Read more »

Robert
Robert
1 month ago
Reply to  Dorander

Our police cannot actually stop people for commiting future crimes. They only arrest people for things they actually did. In this case possession of narcotics is a crime. Attempted murder is a crime. Neither deserves the death penalty without a trial.

Dorander
Dorander
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert

I agree that neither deserve the death penalty without a trial so let’s seperate the issue of extrajudiciary punishment from the issue of guilt. If you believe that the police cannot actually stop people from committing future crimes, what exactly, do you think, incarceration does to their ability to commit the crimes they have been committing? If you go to prison for 20 years for armed robbery, it’s a rather quaint notion to claim that this doesn’t prevent them from committing armed robbery for the next 20 years. What exactly do you think the incarceration is even for? It’s punishment,… Read more »

raven0ak
raven0ak
1 month ago
Reply to  leduk

then again, there be some so far in killing intent that killing them prevents mass killing from happening

raven0ak
raven0ak
1 month ago
Reply to  raven0ak

add: generally these kind folk will never see killing others as “wrong”, no matter how much you wish for peaceful redemption

James Rye
James Rye
2 months ago

Tbf though, Deathblood kills actively while Scott had put in a passive kill-switch that only Not-Zeke could activate by triggering its trigger. Not much difference but a tiny difference.

Also good start to a heartfelt open talk, lol.

Casper Hansen
Casper Hansen
2 months ago
Reply to  James Rye

Not really a difference at all, when the “person” doesn’t know they can trigger it.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
2 months ago
Reply to  James Rye

Another day on the internet, another “to be fair” that isn’t even remotely fair. That phrase is a truly great indicator of “total BS incoming”

In this case: there’s no difference at all. You called it “passive” but there’s nothing passive about Scott’s actions. He intentionally set a trap with the intent that ZK dies if he triggers it. That’s very much active.

Dorander
Dorander
1 month ago
Reply to  James Rye

Sure. There’s also a difference between being stabbed to death and being strangled to death, but it doesn’t matter so much to the dead person. Let’s turn your statement into a thought experiment: imagine two cases. In the first case, we have what happened in the comic: Scott put a bomb in that Zeke triggered by leaving the room, which Zeke was unaware of. In the second case, Scott triggers an exploding device the second he’s aware that Zeke has left the room. Can you argue an objective difference in responsibility, using notions of causality and free will, and the… Read more »

Icarus
Icarus
2 months ago

Insert “emotional damage” meme here.

Rokva
Rokva
2 months ago

Technically, Scott hasn’t murdered anybody.

Casper Hansen
Casper Hansen
2 months ago
Reply to  Rokva

He sure tried to (accepting that Zeke is a “person”, and thus can be murdered, but that’s clearly the case in this universe).

Jack0r
Jack0r
2 months ago
Reply to  Casper Hansen

Is it? Destroying the other murderbots in the beginning was totally fine. Only Ethan spent a lot of time with Zeke did he see him as a person.

Albertica
Albertica
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

The murderbots were remote controlled by the Master and their speech was the Master speaking. Iirc they had some automatic behavior and orders coded, but they couldn’t make their own decisions like Zeke can.

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Not quite the same thing. The other robots actually were just non-sentient remote-controlled tools. Zeke was explicitly stated to be different in that he actually is capable of thinking for himself.

Richard Weatherfield
Richard Weatherfield
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Those robots were actively harming civilians and putting people in danger, plus they weren’t actually sentient. They were remotely controlled by the The Weeb. ZK is the first truly sentient robot the group encountered, and presumably the first to be created in universe period. If destroying the other robots is the same as murder, then every time someone steps on or breaks a remote controlled car or plane, or drone, that woudl constitute murder as well by that logic.

Jack0r
Jack0r
1 month ago

Read again. They were not harming people, just their smartphones/tablets. They were specifically out to destroy tech, not harm people. And that was enough of an offence to kill them. And now that killer (Ethan destroyed 11 of them on-screen) implies that Scott’s a killer, because he destroyed one Murderbot, who repeatedly stated he wanted to wipe out all of humanity.

Also, where did it say that they were really not sentient? You guys are claiming that Zeke is sentient, and also he was remote controlled first.

Where’s the evidence, that the other murderbots weren’t sentient underneath their remote control?

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Evidence that they were harming people: https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-01-10/ (Issue 1, page 10, in case link doesn’t work) Even if you are happy to ignore the obvious problems and pretend destroying the tech isn’t already harmful in itself (physical wounds really aren’t the only way people can be harmed), the robots tried to kill people that got in the way of destroying tech. You’re correct that their primary goal was to destroy tech, but you can’t deny they were harming people in the process. (And no, giving someone a choice of ‘your laptop or your life’ does not count as not harming… Read more »

Jaysburn
Jaysburn
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

It is said multiple times that those first bots were just drones being remote controlled by the master, and Zeke was never remote controlled.

James
James
2 months ago

Also, nice callout to Futurama with the Title.

Brannigan, begin again.

Hizoomi
Hizoomi
2 months ago
Reply to  James

♫ A name that a shame never has been connected with ♫

leduk
leduk
2 months ago
Reply to  James

I learned yesterday that brannigan is a real english word. Meaning a violent argument.

no thanks nintendo
no thanks nintendo
2 months ago

I believe this is where the kids say GOT ‘EEEEM!!!

Amosho
Amosho
2 months ago

Oh damn… Shots fired!

Jack0r
Jack0r
2 months ago

Apparently, even Ethan doesn’t see this so cut and dry (at least he didn’t).
Back in this comic https://cad-comic.com/comic/analog-and-d-pad-01-26/ he was just all-to-happy to blow up one of Zekes cousins.

That one was also capable of speech and seemed about as sentient as Zeke looks.

Actually, in the whole of Issue 1, Ethan kills 11 robots, while Lucas kills 5 (counting only on-screen kills), for the offence of destroying a few smartphones and a tablet PC.

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

I don’t think that robot was really capable of speech, that was just the Master talking through it on a microphone.

ThatMageGuy
ThatMageGuy
2 months ago
Reply to  Jack0r

At the time, I don’t believe the level of sentience possessed by Zeke had yet been determined. Further on, I believe it’s also determined that Zeke is unique compared to the other robots, in that his programming indicates true sentience.

While I’m one of the folks more sympathetic to Scott, given the moral complexity of the subject matter and his own personal trauma, you’re using their then-ignorance of sentience as indicator of hypocrisy. It’s a poor argument, and you should be embarrassed for making it.

Jack0r
Jack0r
1 month ago
Reply to  ThatMageGuy

In the panel I linked, Ethan detonated the leader of the murderbots, not even knowing that he really was a robot and not a human. It’s clearly implied that he thought the leaderbot was human. So killing a human because he destroyed smartphones seems to be ok, for most people here, but destroying a robot because he threatens to wipe out all of humanity is fair game? Also, how does anyone know he’s sentient? Because his programming is more complex than what Scott understands? Because he claims to? Modern chatbots can also claim to be sentient, and their machine learning… Read more »

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
1 month ago
Reply to  Jack0r

Out of curiosity, did you also read that page you linked? Because you seem to have missed the following panels where shocked Lucas makes it pretty clear that Ethan’s actions were not ok, it was just lucky that it was only a non-sentient robot that time.

Dorander
Dorander
1 month ago
Reply to  GeorgeV

That is true, but that does not change anything about Ethan’s state of mind at the time he exploded the robot.

Banjo
Banjo
2 months ago

Ethan just comitted a murder of his own with that comment.

Damion
Damion
2 months ago

Proving once again that while Ethan is a huge goofus, and quite possibly 109% bonkers from SPPTSD (Super Powered Post Traumatic Stress Dickery), he’s neither an idiot nor unethical.
I -love- this rewrite.

Jedi
Jedi
2 months ago

I really like how deep the words are that Ethan figured out in his daily 7 seconds of sanity. Love how that comic improved over 20 years.

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
2 months ago

BOOM goes the dynamite.

The guy
The guy
2 months ago

Funny how Ethan went from dummy punchline to rhetorical genius.

PhobosRising
PhobosRising
2 months ago

Ah, I see a few saw Bicentennial Man and thought “You should shut down your computer at least once a week”.

Freewheel
Freewheel
2 months ago

Ouch. I felt that from here.

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
2 months ago

Ooof. Hopefully this drives the point home for Scott. There’s a far too much of that mentality in the world today. Hating on people for assumptions of intent or hypothetical harm.

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
2 months ago

I’m seeing so many people here still trying to defend Scott with arguments of Zeke not really being self-determinate, or questioning if Zeke is even truly intelligent. Basically a lot of ‘what if…’ arguments. Are toddlers sentient? They have little more than rudimentary responses to basic stimuli and have no sense of self or motivation. Yet any one of them could grow up to be the worst dictator in history. Any toddler could also grow up to believe that the best way of dealing with the problems of the world is to simply shoot anyone who they don’t like or… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by ShonaSoF
Number51x
Number51x
2 months ago

GOD, I felt the heat from that through my screen!

Verdiekus
Verdiekus
1 month ago

Wow… yeesh.

Alpha-00
Alpha-00
1 month ago

I kinda missed this arc, and after resuming reading, I cannot help but think about one thing. Would Ethan stood up to Deathblood if those gangsters killed Lucas before his very eyes? Or just some innocent passerby, who stumbled upon their operation. Because they kinda proved their willingness to kill anyone in their way. And not just kill. Execute helpless person. He is extremely forgiving of his own murders, but from perspective of those whom he forgives, they are pulling the trigger (or killing him otherwise) with assumption that he won’t get up and will stay dead. I’m really interested… Read more »

Ashi
Ashi
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpha-00

Ethan isn’t the type to style himself Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

ShonaSoF
ShonaSoF
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpha-00

I feel Ethan did stand up to DB and there WERE real consequences from the encounter. He was killed several times, including by Deathblood, I’d assume. That along with his perceived failure _on top_ of what happened with Scott and Zeke? Ethan needs a therapist to help prevent PTSD issues, not to ‘prove himself’. he did what he could and handled himself surprisingly well.

Last edited 1 month ago by ShonaSoF
GeorgeV
GeorgeV
1 month ago
Reply to  Alpha-00

Probably yes, given what we’ve seen from him so far. He already stood up against Deathblood for the violent criminals as things were, and Ethan doesn’t seem so naive that he considered them innocent. He just didn’t think murdering them was a justifiable punishment. (He just wanted them arrested and properly sentenced).

Ethan is shown to have some clear moral principles (like murder not being acceptable). and it feels a bit presumptuous (not to mention insulting) to immediately speculate about how quickly he’d abandon those should the situation arrive.

Pyre
Pyre
1 month ago

Well, this is already starting well…..

Foxhood
Foxhood
1 month ago

This feels like the start to either a deep heart to heart conversation.
Or the start of the burning of a bridge… with napalm…

lordrahmo
lordrahmo
1 month ago

This burn is so hard its contributing to global warming

Rolando
Rolando
1 month ago

This represents a real life, ages-old debate. One that’s nigh-impossible to solve.

And not just ‘cos there’s plenty of incorrect attitudes muddying it all up. Extremism, corruption, irrationality, hubris, bias, etc.

But also because, even if you get rid of all those mistakes (a miracle in itself)… It’s inherently dificult. To the extreme.

I mean, can you come up with a sure-fire way to create a totally fair and well-balanced justice system? When NOTHING you do will EVER please enough people for long enough?

Last edited 1 month ago by Rolando