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Console War, p81

December 28, 2020 by Tim


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Nico de Boer
Nico de Boer
9 months ago

When will colonel Saunders enter the war?

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Nico de Boer

Can you imagine? Biological warfare.

After all, I can’t imagine a better image of the console wars… than a PS5 overheating and bricking because the hot grease exhaust from the KFConsole next to it gummed up the air vents.

Nikademus
Nikademus
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

I literally came here to ask this question… as soon as I saw that announcement, i knew that Console Wars was going to get weird…

Etherslaad
Etherslaad
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

I honestly just want all the Consoles to think they are a complete joke, until one dies and sprays fried chicken grease everywhere and they think its some tactical suicide bombing and panic retreat else ruin their hardware and grime their accessories.

Pulse
Pulse
9 months ago

scalpers are a bane even to their kind

John Swift
John Swift
9 months ago

Ahh making a comic about scalpers was a good idea, and well done.

Twilight Faze
9 months ago

Scalpers.

If every a way to put a war on cease-fire, it’s to put these monsters 6 feet under. I’m waiting until they come back in stock to get my own copy. Not gonna submit to these greed-buckets…

TomB
TomB
9 months ago
Reply to  Twilight Faze

One supposes this sort of thing could be avoided, but the rushes that are artificially generated and the overhype are clearly desired by the corporations releasing software and hardware. To some extent, they own this as much as the ***hats that are scalping.

Beyond that, I suppose some would just justifify this as ‘the free market in action’. If that’s the case, then capitalism is operating exactly as designed.

Steeeve
Steeeve
9 months ago
Reply to  TomB

Capitalism requires some form of regulations to protect consumers from predatory businesses. It’s concerning that scalping hasn’t been made illegal nationally already, at least of tickets. It’s no worse than a monopoly after all.

wkz
wkz
9 months ago
Reply to  Steeeve

This.
Everytime someone says “FREE” Capitalism with no regulation is the best and only system, I point them towards the mess that is China. THAT is free, cruel capitalism…

Nikademus
Nikademus
9 months ago
Reply to  Twilight Faze

yes, they and their bot armies are a bane on all of us, Console and PC games alike.

Nihlus
Nihlus
9 months ago

I’m calling it. Google’s Stadia!

Jaksteri
Jaksteri
9 months ago
Reply to  Nihlus

Well seeing how scalpers use bots and computer, this might be just a subfaction of the PC pirates, you know the ones who steal weapon shipments and repurpose them for pc use before officialy available in PC continent.

Amy
Amy
9 months ago
Reply to  Nihlus

“in the Bay of E’ee”… or perhaps E’ee Bay.

Tracker
Tracker
9 months ago
Reply to  Amy

I read E’ee as ‘Eee-Ay’ (like the ‘ee’ in ‘toupee’ sounds like ‘ay’), and the colours of the bar on the prison happen to match up with a well known marketplaces logo that’s notorious for this sort of thing..

zox
zox
9 months ago

I had a colleague who told me in great detail about her “business savvy” boyfriend, and his “genius plan” to make money off of the new PS5s, by buyying them and selling them for a markup on ebay. She is no longer considered a work “friend”

TomB
TomB
9 months ago
Reply to  zox

This is just the same as has happened with every other overhyped and overdesired product. It is ***hattery but at the same time, its exactly how capitalist speculation seems to operate.

I don’t see this as a good thing, but the system sure seems built for just this sort of actions in many areas far beyond computer games/game systems.

Matthew
Matthew
9 months ago

Why can’t they make it such that the credit card you use to purchase these is linked to the console for the first ‘x’ months of the purchase, so that every game you purchase is charged to that credit card? Then it would become totally impractical for scalpers to purchase these with the intent to make money, because the scalpee could just charge them for all the games?

Vicente Sampedro Burgos
Vicente Sampedro Burgos
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

MS tried that with Xbox One and everyone hated them.

Giuliano Marques
Giuliano Marques
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

That would require the console to be configured at the moment of purchase. Or that every retailer’s system had some sort of integration with Sony. It’s impossible in every level.

RblDiver
RblDiver
9 months ago

Eh, I wouldn’t say “impossible.” Amazon does it with all their echo products; I just plug it in, and it knows it’s mine already. Improbable sure (don’t know if the linkage happens with store-bought items but yeah doubt it), impossible no.

Baelinyth
Baelinyth
9 months ago
Reply to  RblDiver

They probably link the MAC address of the product to your account. You could technically do that with consoles as well. It would require SONY and MS to implement an online system that links you, as a reseller, to their store and general databases. As a reseller you would only have to connect the MAC address to a user account. Quite the project. Would absolutely support it if they can figure out security measures to be put in place, to minimize the risks of fraud.

Jest Phulin
Jest Phulin
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

This would make it impossible to give one as a gift, and difficult for parents to buy them for their children.
Additionally, it can be thwarted by buying a prepaid debit card.

Draguss
Draguss
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

That would make it extremely hard to return or gift a console.

7eggert
7eggert
9 months ago
Reply to  Draguss

They can install a new certificate when returned.

A gift would require to know the details of the one you’d give it to, but there will still be a lot of problems when doing so. Maybe if you can buy five and give them away it would work? IDK.

TomB
TomB
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

What if I want to give a gift?

Pyre
Pyre
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

So what you’re saying is that, if I steal your console after you bought it, I now get unfettered access to your credit card for X months?

Joey Parker
Joey Parker
9 months ago
Reply to  Matthew

The response then would simply be to use a temporary card, a visa CC, you pay an extra $5 but you don’t care about it after the purchase

Dan
Dan
9 months ago

Where are they keeping those 3060s?

toughluck
toughluck
9 months ago

Are they scalpers or Google (Stadia)? The colored bars are a giveaway (yes, even if they are not in order).

snrk
snrk
9 months ago
Reply to  toughluck

However, ‘Bay of E’EE’?
One could even say “e-bay”?…

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  snrk

No, no, clearly it’s Google Stadia, even though you can’t see the orange S.

After all, Google clearly owns the rights to green, red, blue, and yellow, and all of their uses.

Tim’s making a deft commentary on how all scalpers are Stadia users.

/s

Pajuka
Pajuka
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

Eldest Gruff not to mention strada has already been shown in the console wars as an a ghost / projection thing. They wernt a solid corporeal thing.

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Pajuka

And they tickle their opponents.

Truly, the most dangerous of foes.

toughluck
toughluck
9 months ago
Reply to  snrk

D’oh, stupid me. I just visited the page again and realized ebay uses the same set of colors and it didn’t occur to me when I made the comment 7 hours ago.

Joel
Joel
9 months ago
Reply to  toughluck

The bars are in order of ebay’s logo if you look at it as a repeating pattern starting from the right end.

James Jacobson
James Jacobson
9 months ago
Reply to  toughluck

If you check eBay’s logo colors…..

Rolan7
Rolan7
9 months ago

It’s interesting to me how scalping is such a pure display of capitalism and of simple supply/demand economics… and yet everybody realizes that it’s a harmful practice that should be prevented. It’s an excellent example of the problems of unregulated commerce.

Sproule
Sproule
9 months ago
Reply to  Rolan7

Yep, and the difference between scalpers and landlords is practically nil, but we haven’t yet got to the point of realizing that landlords are scum that need to be far more heavily regulated.

Gurkengelee
Gurkengelee
9 months ago
Reply to  Sproule

I fail to see how this is a problem exactly? The scalpers bought stuff with the intention to sell it higher. If there is demand they sell and make taxable gains, if there isn’t they make a loss. So the problem is rampant consumerism not capitalism.

Pajuka
Pajuka
9 months ago
Reply to  Gurkengelee

Gurkengelee. Let’s say Sony manufactures 1000 consoles and theres exactly 1000 gamers that want one. In a non scalper world, the 1000 gamers would buy the 1000 consoles at whatever price Sony offered them at and that’s that. If there were more gamers than consoles, Sony would manufacture more, if there were more consoles than gamers, then Sony would either manufacture less or sell them cheaper. Enter the scalper – if they bought 800 of the original 1000 to resell to 800 gamers at a markup, what service have they offered? And if 400 of the 800 gamers still want… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Pajuka

Pajuka – excellent argument, and 100% right. Furthermore, it’s clear to see that the existence of the scalper hurts the games industry. Imagine again that 1000 PS5s were made and 800 were bought by scalpers. Those PS5s would normally have sold for $500; now, on average, they sell for ~$900. In the meantime, the 800 people who WOULD have bought those consoles at full price would have also bought extra controllers, many additional games, online memberships, shop credit, and more; much of which would have been major profit to Sony. Now, when the guy finally gets his expensive PS5, maybe… Read more »

Gurkengelee
Gurkengelee
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

I find your argument much more convincing than Pajukas. If Sony offers a PS5 for 499, but Scalpers manage to sell them at 899 it just means that Sony highly undervalued their console. But obviously this is by design, since – as you say – Sony profits from games and accessories much like printer companies profit from cartridges and not from the printer. On the other hand this is still not a failure of capitalism that cries out for regulatory intervention. Its just a market error by Sony to not prevent scalping in the first place. So the scalpers win,… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Gurkengelee

Gurken – not true that Sony and Microsoft undervalued their consoles. ‘Value’ is relative, but the impact of price is different if it’s the ‘scalper’ price vs. the MSRP. If Sony announced that the PS5 would be $900 at launch, -no one- other than the few Sony fanatics would buy one, and it would be a flop at launch. If they announced that it was going to be $900 at launch, then drop to $700 in 3 months, then have another price drop to $499, it would be insane. ‘Value’ here is a slippery thing. We can lean on our… Read more »

TomB
TomB
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

If people don’t pay the scalpers and wait for Sony’s next shipment (rinse repeat if scalpers want to deepen their losses), then they will eventually get their console at MSRP. If people pay scalpers prices (if we first ignore artificially created scarcity by the corporation – they knew darn well they weren’t making enough for full demand….), then that is the market value. That isn’t econ 101, that’s reality. If people won’t pay X for an item, you can put whatever price you want on it but its value is what people will pay for it. The problem is as… Read more »

Esc
Esc
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

>The one thing I’m going to argue against, however, is the equating of landlords to scalpers. They differ in the fact that landlords aren’t artificially hoarding all low-cost housing and charging outrageous prices to people who would otherwise buy a home, if only houses for sale existed

UHHHHHHHH

UHHHHHHHHHHHH

I would argue that in highly desirable areas the reality is closer to this than you think.

Google how many vacancies are in the LA market, (An insanely desirable place to live full of homeless people)

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Esc

Esc – fair point. I’m in the midwest, where cruddy homes for sale are easier to find than cornfields and loose cattle.

Anne
Anne
9 months ago
Reply to  Eldest Gruff

I am to (near Kansas City) and the cheapest apt in my area is the *same* as what I make at my job. 🙁 Good thing I have 2, and a roommate 🙁

RblDiver
RblDiver
9 months ago
Reply to  Pajuka

One could argue that the “service” they provided is the ability for certain groups of individuals to play with the console sooner. I get that, yes, without them, you would be able to play sooner and without a markup; however, it could be different people who would have the opportunity to play. Think of it in the classic supply/demand model. Power is out. The supply of gas generators is limited. The store marks them up. Average Joe, looking to power his Margaritaville, doesn’t want to pay that price. Grandma, who needs power for her oxygen tank, will pay it so… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  RblDiver

RblDiver – Your examples are not only flawed, but also a bit disgusting, in which you posit that a ‘service’ is keeping a product away from the less-wealthy so that the more-wealthy can get it with less hassle. The only ‘virtuous’ situation you can imagine here is where someone will pay more because they desperately need one to survive. There is no grandma who needs a PS5 to survive, nor a local hillbilly who would use it for ‘frivolous reasons’. It’s a game machine; it plays games, everyone uses it for the same thing. Your argument is that it divides… Read more »

TomB
TomB
9 months ago
Reply to  Pajuka

There’s some broken thinking here. 1) If Sony sold its 1000 consoles for the price they wanted, then they achieved their goal. (Now, that might not be true if they were selling it as a loss leader and 800 of them aren’t going to generate game revenues… but that’s not likely to be the case anyway) 2) Sony could have created an additional 500 (for instance) given the hype, but they chose to create artificial scarcity. They could have taken fully paid free orders from everyone and built a console for each subscriber, but THEY chose not to do that… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  TomB

I’d love to tackle these arguments one by one. 1&2) Sony’s goal is to essentially beat the competition, which it does by selling as many units as humanly possible, but also by controlling the narrative. It can do this best by anticipating what the demand will be, and meeting that demand. If it has less consoles than the demand requires, then their lack of presence gives their opponents (Microsoft and Nintendo) opportunity to gain ground against them. If they have MORE consoles than the demand requires, they have to slow down production schedules and suddenly the news are all about… Read more »

Josh
Josh
9 months ago
Reply to  Pajuka

Ignore this comment, i can’t find a delete button

Logan
Logan
9 months ago
Reply to  Gurkengelee

Gurkengelee: to add onto Pahuka’s comments…

There’s also the fact that not all scalpers use taxable resources to resell their hauls. So they make 100% of the profit, without paying beyond the initial purchase.

The ones you see being sold online tend to be a small portion of the total being ‘resold’.

TomB
TomB
9 months ago
Reply to  Gurkengelee

I’d say that’s a false choice. It’s both.

Jaksteri
Jaksteri
9 months ago
Reply to  Sproule

Just keep regulation to moderation, else you end up with Soviet results and no one wants a repeat of that… well no one with a functioning brain anyway.

Rex Vivat
Rex Vivat
9 months ago
Reply to  Sproule

Hey now, there’s one big difference between them: once you pay a scalper, the console is yours and they can’t take it from you (unless they’re also burglars, I guess)

Jacob
Jacob
9 months ago
Reply to  Rolan7

Not in defense of scalping, but this is a common effect of artificially priced markets. There is a higher demand for a product than the available supply. The end result would normally be that the company increases the price to stifle demand to find a balance in the curve between supply and demand, but the negative feedback of “price gouging” forces the prices to be artificially lower than what the market will bear. This creates a gap between the perceived value of an item and the actual value of an item. If the company isn’t “gouging” to make up this… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Jacob

Here’s the thing, though: Sony and Microsoft CREATE the current supply. While we all understand that they can’t take advantage of low supply, it’s not like these are a “Gee, it’s just early and they’re hard to find because so many people want them” scenario, it’s a “Gee, a large chunk of these have been bought by an unofficial reseller who is marking up the cost to double or more” scenario. Sony and Microsoft DON’T control most of the methods of distribution, like your local distillery does. So to use your ‘distillery’ example. Say your distillery said that they were… Read more »

Enclave
Enclave
9 months ago

I’d probably have included some Xbox and RTX in the cage as well personally to really show the reach of these villains and to show their neutrality.

Still, was a great idea to introduce the scalpers.

Eldest Gruff
9 months ago
Reply to  Enclave

RTX might be getting a little graphic. After all, you can totally buy a heart or a kidney on the black market, but you’re not going to be showing that next to two war buddies in a foreign prison.

Kevin Greenbaum
Kevin Greenbaum
9 months ago

I’ve seen the prices these people have been aiming for, I’m content with my PS4 and not selling any internal organs.

TomB
TomB
9 months ago

If everyone was unwilling to pay the scalpers, they’d lose money and it would stop scalping.

GUNnibal
GUNnibal
9 months ago
Reply to  TomB

While technically true, this is also, much to my dismay, rather unrealistic. Standing on principle is pretty hard, peer pressure alone can push the otherwise reasonable people to pay unreasonable prices. Add FOMO to the equation – and the whole thing spells doom for the wallet.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d LOVE to see scalpers fail to make any profit through this and leave this abominable practice in a ditch (where it belongs). But I’m pretty sure that’s not going to happen.

Jacob Bielski
9 months ago

I’ve been wondering how the activities of singular bad actors would be translated into a world of anthropomorphized electronics.

Also, the “Bay of E’EE” makes me think of Hc’tib from Looking For Group.

Pyre
Pyre
9 months ago

Eh. Honestly, this is and always has been the fault of gamers. Instead of waiting for the consoles to be worth buying, there is this mad rush to pay premium price for the privilege of beta-testing console hardware with a library that is also at premium price with only one or two games worth playing.

And it happens ….. every…..launch.

As such, this always invokes little sympathy. We can bang on about artificial demand or ask for unrealistic solutions but, ultimately, anyone who can’t wait a few months deserves the prices that they’re paying.

GamerLEN
GamerLEN
9 months ago

Aaaaaand this is why I’m waiting to get the PS5. This and the fact that most of the games I’d play on it are already on my PS4 which I haven’t touched in a while anyways. X3

tenaka30
tenaka30
9 months ago
Sam
Sam
9 months ago

I never expected a comic about sentient game consoles to make me cry. Just caught up on the whole series and OMG.

Intrepyd45
Intrepyd45
3 months ago

Things are worse than ever, no troops have made it to the battlefields since launch and will likely be the death of both species