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It Will Be On The Quiz

August 7, 2019 by Tim

Look, I have no love for the Epic Games store right now. I think Steam needs some good competition. I wish Steam hadn’t had fifteen unchallenged years to become such an entrenched juggernaut that the best way for another platform to grow and compete with it is securing exclusives to draw business. It would be nice if things could happen more organically.

But regardless of any of that, there is no feeling or point of view on the matter that can justify sending video game developers threatening and harassing messages over it. There is no equivocation here; I don’t care how upset you are about the Epic Games store (or the tone of a developer’s message or microtransactions, or a pushed release date, or anything else), there is an appropriate way to express unhappiness and make your voice heard, and threatening another human being is not one of them.

The hatefulness of this behavior drowns out and invalidates any sort of criticism these people were hoping levy at the subject of their dissatisfaction in the first place, and makes us as a community of gamers look toxic and entitled as fuck. You’d think that this wouldn’t need to be said over and over again, but, whelp.


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foducool
foducool
2 years ago

under no circumstances you can send death threats to dev
you can, however, tell them to eat a fat bag of dicks for betraying your trust

Bwauder
Bwauder
2 years ago
Reply to  foducool

The marketing departments on the other hand are in permanent Open Season.

PapaVanTwee
PapaVanTwee
2 years ago
Reply to  Bwauder

The marketing department are a bunch of mindless jerks who’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Shiva
Shiva
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaVanTwee

I recommend that you check AND read this comics here -> https://cad-comic.com/comic/it-will-be-on-the-quiz/

Darth Credence
Darth Credence
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaVanTwee

I found a future version of an encyclopedia that confirms this.

Bernie Margolis
Bernie Margolis
2 years ago
Reply to  PapaVanTwee

So many dislikes! I guess there’s no love for the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

Eldest Gruff
2 years ago

There’s a time and place.

Mike
Mike
2 years ago
Reply to  Bwauder

What did we just say!

Ada
Ada
2 years ago
Reply to  foducool

So you were planning to get the game and support them?

Lucas
Lucas
2 years ago
Reply to  foducool

Be careful what you wish for because I’m pretty sure someone will be ready to betray your trust just to be able to eat a fat bag of dicks.
Unless I’m lost in translation, there is nothing wrong with eating dicks!

raven0ak
raven0ak
2 years ago
Reply to  foducool

I do that silently, dev that goes egshitlusive is developer I cross from list of acceptable vendors. for all games thereafter and likely for eternity.

Hans
Hans
2 years ago

What is someone is threathening their lives and will murder the whole dev team if you don’t?

Ex-FedEx
Ex-FedEx
2 years ago
Reply to  Hans

Judging by your score, people here don’t exactly read what other people are writing, aren’t they?

IHateEpic
2 years ago

But what if they make their game Epic exclusive after saying it won’t be and insults their community in their post about it?

leduk
leduk
2 years ago
Reply to  IHateEpic

don’t know if trolling or…

jjX
jjX
2 years ago

The death threats come from someone who read 5 all caps rants…

The rants came from 5 someones who each read 5 angry opinion pieces…

Ect…

Ect…

Eh.

The whole internet enables a lunatic, who undoubtedly isnt reading this comic.

some guy
some guy
2 years ago

Is this based on a particular case or just the internet in general?

GeorgeV
GeorgeV
2 years ago
Reply to  some guy

Few days ago some indie dev switched to Epic and proceeded to mock & belittle their fans and backers for getting unhappy over it. The fanbase wasn’t pleased, and went a bit too far in vocalising their outrage, including faked ‘evidence’ and death threats apparently.

Ugly case altogether.

schnozzberries
schnozzberries
2 years ago
Reply to  GeorgeV

I definitely don’t think he was trying to mock and belittle them. After reading the post it definitely read as satire.

BUT communication is a two way street…

Soup
Soup
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

That post is far from lighthearted. The developer goes out of his way to insult as many people as possible, and continued in the same way on their Discord server ever since, providing very rude and insulting replies to all sorts of questions, no matter how politely asked. Seriously 80% of that post is dedicated to telling people how stupid they are to be opposed to this deal.

Andrew
Andrew
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Hey Tim. I’m pretty sure this counts as insulting/mocking.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBFV4UHXoAEJku8?format=jpg&name=large
https://twitter.com/SammyofTocktown/status/1157461122166996993

Anyway, have a nice day.

Caro
Caro
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

While the post itself isn’t that bad, there is one comment from the Discord follow-up that really rubs me the wrong way. Someone brought up the fact that they live in a country which uses a type of currency that Epic doesn’t accept (at the moment), and switching to a different currency costs obnoxious conversion fees. As such, Epic is actually something bad for them, and not just “another free launcher to download”. Perplamps’ response was “Guess you’ll just have to wait :)” Which, to me, is an incredibly rude thing to say as a community manager. Someone brings up… Read more »

NNextremNN
NNextremNN
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Let me quote: “You’ll have to install EGS if you wanna buy Ooblets on PC. I know that’s asking a lot but I believe in you and your ability to download a free thing and create a user account (if you haven’t already done so to play Fortnite which I KNOW YOU HAVE).” if this isn’t an insult to the intelligence of their potential customers, I don’t know what is. That’s not funny, snarky or sarcastic they have overstepped the line. It’s not about the ability to download something it’s about the willingness which they clearly ignored. I have also… Read more »

Eldest Gruff
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

This one conversation is the most epic owning ever and has totally made my day.

Eric
Eric
2 years ago
Reply to  Soup

I never heard about this game until today, and I just read the blog post… i don’t feel insulted. what part should have been insulting? They explained their decision (financial stability, a super valid concern for indie devs) and then explained that while they understand people have problems with the epic game store, they don’t agree they’re problems. It was pretty light hearted and taunty. What part was insulting to me?

Ryan
Ryan
2 years ago
Reply to  Eric

Probably none of it.
Gamers just enjoy behaving like spoilt toddlers who need their diapers changed.

Joshua Adkison
Joshua Adkison
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Well time to remove your comic from my reading list. People who support anti-consumer practices can go fuck themselves.

Hank Bell
Hank Bell
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The internet, man, amirite?

wkz
wkz
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Must be one of those people who buy into “The Customer is ALWAYS right. ALWAYS.”

Vincent Koop
Vincent Koop
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

That’s the whole black and white “if you’re not with me you’re against me!” bullshit…
If it helps, I don’t think you lost a particularly evolved specimen there Tim.
I’d ask myself who the fuck thinks it’s okay to threaten people’s lives *period*, but the comments here alone have enough crawling out the woodwork. And not all ironically or edgy either…

Admiral Casual
Admiral Casual
2 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Adkison

Dude, pick your battles. I think Epic is kinda scummy for what they’ve done too, but really, no blood need be spilt over this. That’s all we’re saying here, but if you wanna go, go. You do you, chief.

Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed
2 years ago

Maybe try and talk some sense into those idiots planning to storm area 51.

Nathan
Nathan
2 years ago
Reply to  Tumbleweed

Please don’t, if they storm area 51 it will be good for the gene pool. It will be like the Guinness book record for most Darwin awards in one day. “They can’t stop all of us” *A10 Warthog passing by* Brrrrrrrrrrrrt

MRD
MRD
2 years ago
Reply to  Tumbleweed

Please don’t. Let Darwinism take it’s natural course.

Yungthnapples
Yungthnapples
2 years ago
Reply to  MRD

Like the “natural course” of natural selection is the US army

Sean Rotter
Sean Rotter
2 years ago
Reply to  Yungthnapples

Spoken like a true coward.

ReaverRogue
ReaverRogue
2 years ago

The fuck’s wrong with people in these comments? It’s -never- okay to threaten game devs, marketing & PR people or anyone like that at ANY point.

Feel free to not endorse them by not buying their products (I for one haven’t bought an EA game in about a decade) as that serves as a peaceful protest.

Mead
Mead
2 years ago
Reply to  ReaverRogue

I don’t think he knows about second sarcasm, Pip

Anon A Mouse
Anon A Mouse
2 years ago
Reply to  Mead

I get that everyone wants to be funny by being “that guy” but considering the context and the comic I still think it’s in poor taste to say “But it’s ok when its (insert other target)!”.

Grolsch
Grolsch
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon A Mouse

Even telemarketers?

Admiral Casual
Admiral Casual
2 years ago
Reply to  Grolsch

I frequently tell telemarketers that I hope they get cancer and their children starve.

Velvet74
Velvet74
2 years ago
Reply to  Admiral Casual

Wow that’s stupidly harsh. I hate getting a telemarketing call as much as the next guy, but I either ignore the call, or hang up if I got fooled by the spoofed number. They are just human beings trying to earn a paycheck. The only people I’ll mess with are the scammers, and even there I don’t threaten their lives or wish cancer on their kids, I just keep them on the phone and waste their time as long as possible. I might ask them if they think their parents are proud of how they are trying to rip people… Read more »

Sovreignry
Sovreignry
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon A Mouse

Indeed. The problem is that the failure mode of clever is asshole so when you try to be clever and epically fail you become an asshole.

Kaladorn
Kaladorn
2 years ago
Reply to  ReaverRogue

Without putting too fine a point on it, the general climate in much of the Western world has reached a point where people’s sense of alleged injury is deemed as a right to spew hate, carry out harassment and marginalization, and to even justify mass murder (only a small %, but too high of a % still). With that sort of general climate on matters of race, religion, culture, race, political affiliation, etc., one can only see this sort of hate spewing towards game devs as arising from the same exaggerated sense of personal injury coupled with a feeling that… Read more »

Scortch
Scortch
2 years ago

Did I miss someone dropping death threats recently?

Schnittertm
Schnittertm
2 years ago
Reply to  Scortch

You should check up on the Ooblets EGS announcement disaster. While the devs didn’t really endear themselves in how they handled the annoucement itself and how they handled some of their Patreon supporters that raised concerns because EGS isn’t (yet?) selling in or does have regional pricing for their respective countries, it was probably unavoidable that some would lash out with anger and send death threats to them. Add to that that Tim Sweeny added fuel to the fire and that now you have huge swathes of the gaming media and Epic defending the devs, while ignoring the behavior of… Read more »

Admiral Casual
Admiral Casual
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Eh… I always found the approach of “there’s just no excuse for [insert such and such a behavior here]” as being narrow minded, and amounts to little more than virtue signalling. You start to explore the reasons in the mind of a potentially unstable individual, you might start to come across more in-depth societal problems, and maybe a means to prevent another El Paso impromptu gun expo. Take a journey with me here, Mr CAD man. So, our test subject, we’ll call him Incel, sends a death threat to say, Tim Sweeney. Why? Well, he’s obviously upset over shady business… Read more »

Admiral Casual
Admiral Casual
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Nor do I intend to. I’m just stating that to outright dismiss this as behavior of psychopaths that is unacceptable in any situation is to miss the forest for the trees. You either know yourself and your adversary or you lose. Me personally? I like analyzing the mechanics of madness in the human mind. This most certainly qualifies, don’t you think? I do think we’re both arriving at the same conclusion, that this situation is completely unacceptable, just taking different paths to get there, and I’m giving some mind as to maybe prevent the ventilation of an unsuspecting devs’ skull… Read more »

Admiral Casual
Admiral Casual
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Well, I’m glad that you agree, Tim. =.= I’m slightly less thrilled about getting down voted to death just because I wanted to analyze this a little. Not like I was supporting either side or saying anything controversial, but just thinking “Well, THAT’s weird. Why is that a thing?”, expecting folks to act like thinking, reasoning adults. Guess we can’t have that here. God, I hate gaming politics these days…

Galidar
Galidar
2 years ago
Reply to  Admiral Casual

Be super neat if you didn’t use my city’s tragedy at the hands of a white nationalist to argue in favor of issuing death threats.

Skyblade
Skyblade
2 years ago
Reply to  Scortch

Probably. It is, unfortunately, something that I tend to take for granted these days. Let’s see, most recent controversies that come to mind… The National Dex fiasco for Pokemon, the Epic Store Exclusivity blunder for Ooblets, the insertion of microtransactions into Crash Team Racing, anything involving Anthem…

Honestly, death threats happen with ridiculous frequency across the internet. They’re never okay, and it’s disturbing how much our culture has normalized them.

Kaelin
Kaelin
2 years ago
Reply to  Scortch

E3 doxxed their ‘attendeee’ list, accidentally releasing journalist info.. small indi info.. etc.

Already threats etc etc etc going out.

Fretan
Fretan
2 years ago
Reply to  Scortch

A small Indi two man developer team announced that they will release the PC-version of their game exclusively in the Epic store for some time.
The sadly expected consequences followed.

Just google Ooblets if you want to loose any remaining respect for the “selfappointed gamer culture”. (I use the term “selfappointed” to differentiate between actual gamers and this selfentitled, egocentric mob.)

Semetskiy
Semetskiy
2 years ago

Unless they are EA

leduk
leduk
2 years ago
Reply to  Semetskiy

you missed the point, right?

Semetskiy
Semetskiy
2 years ago
Reply to  leduk

There is an exception to every rule

Steigs
Steigs
2 years ago
Reply to  Semetskiy

Not this one.

pyrodice
pyrodice
2 years ago
Reply to  Steigs

Invoking Godwin’s law.
“Case: Game dev is literally hitler” 😉

John
John
2 years ago

That first panel could probably become an easy meme. I expected this to go in a different direction, I forgot that this was even a problem. The best thing you can do is not buy their games, and remind your friends of previous transgressions as cool new games are nearing release.

Eric
Eric
2 years ago
Reply to  John

I tried! https://www.reddit.com/r/MemeEconomy/comments/cnclin/brand_new_format_fresh_from_the_legendary_creator/
It was not a sound investment on memecononemy. I may take my wares to incel tears and post “women who reject you” but it may not be funny enough.

Robert Bee
Robert Bee
2 years ago

But it’s so easy to kill someone who slightly irritates you in a video game. Why should it be so difficult in real life?

Marquar
Marquar
2 years ago
Reply to  Robert Bee

Because there are no re-spawns in RL?

Lulu
Lulu
2 years ago
Reply to  Marquar

That seems like a plus to me

Drunk_Sith
Drunk_Sith
2 years ago
Reply to  Marquar

Reincarnation?

Dan
Dan
2 years ago

People never seem to understand that these companies don’t tend to treat their employees with any more respect than they do their customers.

Telling the CEO of these companies that he both is and has a micropenis is the way to go!

David North
David North
2 years ago
Reply to  Dan

I don’t understand the dislikes. Hearing that some Bioware employees hoped DA Inq would fail so they might be hounded less by EA execs drove that home to me.

Sticking it to the head office that they are bad at their job, because the games could be even better and sell even better both due to quality and a community desire to support good business practice if they weren’t such asshats is the way to go.

Kaladorn
Kaladorn
2 years ago
Reply to  David North

Worked on video games. The preferred devs are fairly junior, willing to work insane hours for miniscule pay, and who are subject to bullying by intimidating management. The treatment of game devs in the places I worked or talked to friends who had worked at illuminated the reality that the companies wanted to squeeze every micro-credit out of their audience (I’d call them customers or clients, but the way game companies treat them, audience is the most lenient term that doesn’t feel dishonest) and every iota of work out of devs. The treatment of game is vastly crappier than devs… Read more »

Dan
Dan
2 years ago
Reply to  David North

Given the shit show the comments are I guess I’m not surprised

Anonymous bastard!
Anonymous bastard!
2 years ago
Reply to  David North

The dislike comes from the fact this comic was written about a two people team’s situation. The CEO of that two people’s company (if there even is one) isn’t going to treat his only coworker so bad!

Crestlinger
Crestlinger
2 years ago

*Adds names of people who make said threats to own DeathNote. (Eyes see real names :>)
*Contemplates the sheer number involved.
*Asks for a bigger book.

Demonicdueler
Demonicdueler
2 years ago

So very true, calm down people it is going to be ok. This is part of the reason why we gamers get a bad rep sometimes.

Also this should have been being taught by the Gaming Etiquette teacher from way back. =)

Him.
Him.
2 years ago
Reply to  Demonicdueler

The Gamer’s Glossary was specifically for in-game terms.
Nothing about out-of-game terms I’m afraid.

Kaitensatsuma
Kaitensatsuma
2 years ago

The only acceptable threat is to threaten to not buy the game ,and then buy the game when it’s on a deep, deep sale.

nealithi
nealithi
2 years ago

Okay the one time would be they just kidnapped your daughter, and you have ‘a certain set of skills’?

Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed
2 years ago
Reply to  nealithi

tough crowd.

Boomchickenpop
Boomchickenpop
2 years ago

Not ever is it. But people these days don’t quite get that concept

ewalker626
ewalker626
2 years ago

Death threats to ANYONE is never ok. Doesn’t matter if it is Devs or anyone else. It is also not ok to harass, demean, insult or otherwise defame anyone. You don’t like someone’s opinion, state your opinion on the issue or why you think it is wrong. Don’t like a developer just state what you think is wrong with them. Making personal attacks or threats only reflects on the person making the attacks or threats. On a side note for the actual issue of Epic games. My issue with the Epic games store goes to the overall issue of games… Read more »

Grallen
Grallen
2 years ago

But what if you are Liam Neeson and they have your Daughter/Wife/Son?

Nealithi
Nealithi
2 years ago
Reply to  Grallen

Lucky. I made the same joke and got five down votes.
But I have to joke. I get angry and generally upset every time a member of a group I belong to, IE gamer, does or says something hateful and I will not only have no past times. But probably need to cry myself to sleep in a padded cell because there is too much hate.

Sorry I need to go find something funny now.

Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed
2 years ago
Reply to  Nealithi

I guess they can’t tell when people are joking or being serious. I would have thought this one was obvious though.

The rAt
The rAt
2 years ago
Reply to  Nealithi

Nealithi – Wow, how did 3 of us make the same reference from 3 different angles and not notice one another? I’m ashamed of my lazy internet-ing. Personally, I don’t feel like any of the three posts crossed the line in terms of intent, but I certainly did feel the need to qualify my dad-joke with a little context of what I really think about the issue at hand. The point that death threats are an inexcusable over-reaction to any business decision (shy of murder) is valid, important and I didn’t want to detract from that. I think the problem… Read more »

leduk
leduk
2 years ago

death threats are NOT childishness. No, sorry, never. You have kids, how often do they threat other kids of killing them? it’s an adult (hatefull and fucktard) behavior.

Leon
Leon
2 years ago

Fuck appropriation

Superkamimarvin
Superkamimarvin
2 years ago

this is just another part of the whole back and forth devs do something realy shitty then make up some bs insult (like entiteld the first time) and then gamers responding way out of line in that this goes back and forth alot it all started when devs realised they could bribe/fake game review websites and the fact that everyone hates microtransactions BUT THEY STILL WORK honestly at this point im not on the epic store not becaus of some complicated reason but becaus 2 of my friends hate it alot i legit dont even know what part of the… Read more »

Ryan
Ryan
2 years ago

Probably because gamers act like entitled babies with dirty diapers.

Christopher Rapson
Christopher Rapson
2 years ago

I’m sorry, I have vote this comment down for sheer lack of punctuation!

J nelson
J nelson
2 years ago

Well said, sir. Thank you for being a reasonable human being…

Christopher P Charpentier
Christopher P Charpentier
2 years ago

The internet has become Fort Annonomys for cowards to hide in while launching their attacks on everything that does not personally please them. If they all had their real names, faces, and addresses displayed it would be a little more civil on the Digital Front.

Admiral Casual
Admiral Casual
2 years ago

Okay, about that, go take a look at the r/entitled parent or r/choosing beggar reddit boards and tell me how civil those people tend to be face to face. Or, heck, go work retail at all. People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling in ANY situation, regardless of anonymity.

The rAt
The rAt
2 years ago

Exception: You are Liam Neeson and you are on the phone with your daughter, when Game Developer bursts in and attempts to kidnap her for sale in human trafficking. Caveat: You must first warn said Game Developer of your particular set of skills, and offer them unconditional amnesty in exchange for immediately releasing your daughter. On a more serious note, it really concerns me we’ve reached a point in society where a comic like this is relevant, let alone necessary. There’s nothing wrong with investing time and energy into something (admittedly rewarding and enjoyable) as ultimately trivial as a video… Read more »

Soup
Soup
2 years ago

I wish we could stop pretending like this whole situation over the past week has anything to do with Epic. There’s a reason it hasn’t happened like this before – it’s entirely due to the developer’s condescending and derogatory tone both in the announcement post and continually on their Discord server.

No it’s never ok to send someone threats, but acting like the developer didn’t create this problem benefits nobody.

Skyblade
Skyblade
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

But it’s okay for death threats to be sent to anyone else? Like a YouTuber, politician, stranger on Twitter, etcetera? You’re awfully big into defending game devs specifically, and don’t seem to give a damn about anyone else, even though there are people getting multiple death threats every day online.

Erik B
Erik B
2 years ago
Reply to  Skyblade

Really, skyblade? Tim’s comic is a gaming comic about gamers for gamers.

Tim is not bringing up youtuber/politician/stranger on twitter etc death threats, because they are not in the industry that he works in.

Of course those death threats are not ok, but Tim is bringing up an incident that occurred within the industry that he works.

Bernie Margolis
Bernie Margolis
2 years ago
Reply to  Soup

I couldn’t find anything derogatory in that post. They were making a joke about peoples’ overreactions to developers *gasp* selling their content, and a bunch of people seemed all too eager to prove their exaggerated take on the situation to be reality. They’re not distributing open source software here. They sold exclusive rights to distribute their game to a large company. They can finally afford a step up in food and lodgings. We should be happy for them, not crapping on them. This is the system at its best: work hard and reap the rewards.

Merendel
Merendel
2 years ago

Yes they were joking but the didn’t do a good job of tailoring their joke to the audience and it kinda kicked up a backlash. Think CountDankula’s nazi pug prank. Funny to internet edge lords, however play it at a holocaust survivors gathering and the crowd will be a tad miffed. In the same vein their joke is hitting a community rather split over the whole epic store and their shenanigans. To those that dont mind epic it seems light hearted, To those that dont like epic it sounds somewhat condescending and patronizing. Like so much in todays world people… Read more »

Bernie Margolis
Bernie Margolis
2 years ago
Reply to  Merendel

Except that the Nazis murdered a bunch of people, whereas these guys sold distribution rights to an application that they developed. One joke is about an atrocity of epic proportions and the other is about a perfectly legal transaction that occurs hundreds of times a year worldwide. I don’t understand how these even compare.

Teeyen
Teeyen
2 years ago

What’s the rhyme we all learned in preschool?
“Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”
There’s no scenario where a party’s words on the internet will justify a response of threatened physical harm to said party.
Good comic Tim – straight to the point!

Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed
2 years ago
Reply to  Teeyen

“Sticks and stones may break your bones – but words can leave psychological wounds that may never heal” I find this version more accurate, even if there is a percentage out there that will never be convinced otherwise.

NNextremNN
NNextremNN
2 years ago
Reply to  Teeyen

Funny because according to that logic a spoken or written death threat can’t actually hurt anybody … which is of course wrong.

Charles Gollmar
Charles Gollmar
2 years ago

Having now read the initial Ooblets post, I’m having a hard time finding things to validate the “mocking and belittling” comments. I’m wondering how much this one sentence is at the center of everyone’s outrage? “Feeling like you’re owed the product of other people’s work on your terms or else you’ll steal it is the epitome of that word “entitlement” that people use to discuss immature, toxic gamers.”

Randy
Randy
2 years ago

Yeah you are absolutely correct. They pretty much said, “hey, some of you might act like whiny babies because it’s happened before. Instead, don’t” and then Gamers(tm) took that as THE WORST INSULTS EVER.

Ex-FedEx
Ex-FedEx
2 years ago
Reply to  Randy

Yes, condescending tone and aura of untouchable smugness towards your target audience are insulting.
HUMAN DECENCY 102

Bernie Margolis
Bernie Margolis
2 years ago
Reply to  Ex-FedEx

Are you saying that their target audience is whiny babies? Because those are the only people who would take offense at what they said. If you’re not “feeling like you’re owed the product of other people’s work on your terms or else you’ll steal it,” then there is no insult. The only people who would feel insulted by this are, frankly, the ones who deserve it.

Jskilletz
Jskilletz
2 years ago

Fair, don’t send them death threats. In fact don’t send anybody ever a death threat. Instead consider the following: You can tell them to piss off. You can not buy their products. You can also stop listening to self righteous comic artists telling you what you can and can’t do. You can also stop listening to self righteous people posting comments telling you what you can and can’t do. Bye forever.

Maya
Maya
2 years ago

I have to say I use the Epic games store exclusively as I have never had any issues with them or the games they carry. Which is a far cry from the grief that Steam has given me over the years. Everything from bait and switch tactics, to taking my money and then not allowing me to a download for over two weeks as they stated my transaction was “in process” even though the $$$ came out of my account within seconds of my pushing the payment button. I will never use Steam again.

Mr. Casual
Mr. Casual
2 years ago

I think there are legitimate reasons to have concerns over EGS. There are legitimate reasons to be upset if a developer says they’ll release on Steam and then switches gears to EGS after taking money. There are legitimate reasons to be upset if a dev says things like, “Why so upset? Global Warming!” in pre-emptive defense against (some) people’s legitimate concerns. NONE OF THAT IS TO SAY that death threats or harassment is ever in any way acceptable! Fuck no, good gods! If you’re upset, just don’t buy the game. If you’ve put money in, try to get it back… Read more »

David North
David North
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Casual

100% agreed.
I want Outerworlds.
I want Steam to finally have a decent competitor, and make sure everyone can play on an even playing field with healthy market completion, and using another Storefront platform to play other games isn’t a big deal for me.
If it wasn’t for the security concerns I personally would buy from Epic in a heartbeat. As it stands, I also am concious of my online footprint and data security, so until those are comfortably and reassuringly addressed, I won’t sign up to Epic yet.

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NNextremNN
2 years ago
Reply to  David North

Steam already has competition but the noDRM GoG apparently is too consumer friendly so some developers avoid to sell on this store. Which is fine I don’t “buy” from these developers.

Parzival
Parzival
2 years ago

Wow! I never thought I’d see video gamers thinking they were as entitled as gun owners!

Diamond655
Diamond655
2 years ago

God, this comment section is really a shitshow, huh?

I don’t even know the context of this whole situation – basically all I know is what’s in the description – but the comic itself doesn’t seem like it’s directed at any one particular situation at all, honestly. It can really apply to literally anything in the gaming community. And that’s the sad thing about it.

Everyone seriously needs to get their act together. No shit, no excuses, no “what if’s,” just… stop.

Michael
Michael
2 years ago

Well, in the name of the Internet, go die in a fire. Of course I’m kidding. People that give out death threats like candy should drown in frigid saltwater.

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.

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NNextremNN
2 years ago
Reply to  Michael

Try reading your post again because you just wished for the death of people yourself …

Vedrit
Vedrit
2 years ago
Reply to  NNextremNN

I think that was the point?

NoOneSpecial
NoOneSpecial
2 years ago

It’s sad but normal that you can’t have a conversation online that is positive dispite different opinions.
You know, where people listen to each other, consider the arguments/concerns etc.

There are always some people starting insults (or in this case much worse comments).

I mostly avoid multiplayer games (or ignore the chat) because of people taking it way too seriously and insulting others.
It’s supposed to be fun to play (even if you lose).

It’s not a problem of the gaming community alone.

(sorry for bad grammar -> not a native speaker)

todofwar
todofwar
2 years ago

I am still so confused about the EGS vs Steam thing. You just open up a second program, you can even put the shortcuts next to each other on your desktop! Why is this a big deal for so many people? Saying a game is exclusively on EGS is like saying that a game will only be placed on odd numbered shelves at Gamestop. It has literally 0 impact on your ability to play it.

VanillaCokeMule
VanillaCokeMule
2 years ago
Reply to  todofwar

Because it’s security is questionable at best right now and it lacks basic features because it was incredibly rushed. Epic is also generally disliked because of Fortnite. Yeah, the kids are a bit cringe-worthy what with the dumb dances and all, but they’re kids. It’s what they do. We weren’t really a lot better back in the day with Pokemon Red and Blue. GameBoys, clunky cables, cards and merch every where, man. What bothers me is how the game takes advantage of those same dumb kids with the microtransactions.. I mean, adults joke all the time about the amount of… Read more »

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NNextremNN
2 years ago
Reply to  todofwar

Because: * Epic only cares for developers and not it’s customers. Developers should get more money on the platform but the player should still pay the same amount of money. If they actually would want competition that could be done with the price for the customer but they don’t want that. They actually guarantee sales numbers. So if your game sells less then you wanted you still get the minimum money you hoped for. * They don’t support Linux. Apparently something important for some. * They support less currencies. Apparently something important for some. * They offer less features then… Read more »

Ex-FedEx
Ex-FedEx
2 years ago
Reply to  NNextremNN

That Kickstarter thing was insane.

“You give me money. I make some goods. Oops, I was bought, gut-n-feathers, by some megacorp, so goods that I made are not the ones you wanted. But I still get to keep your money, you whiny baby, hahahahahaha! 🙂 🙂 🙂 $$$”

todofwar
todofwar
2 years ago
Reply to  NNextremNN

*I think Steam should show a little more love to its developers, honestly looking at EGS and Steam as an amateur game designer I would be much more inclined to go EGS exclusive if I ever tried to publish a game. If that pressures Steam into doing better by their developers than that’s great. *The Linux thing I did not know about, and does make this a bigger issue as far as exclusives are concerned. Probably something that will be fixed soon. *I think currency and the Linux thing are probably a function of trying to not go too big… Read more »

Ex-FedEx
Ex-FedEx
2 years ago
Reply to  todofwar

Do you understand that “Steam” and “EGS” are not just programs on your PC?
That they are both not “just a game launcher”?

todofwar
todofwar
2 years ago
Reply to  Ex-FedEx

Care to elaborate? Maybe I’m missing something, but for me Steam is nothing more than a way to find games and buy them. I guess there are some community and multiplayer features too but they always seemed half baked to me. And the workshop is ok but almost every mod I use comes from an external website instead

will
will
2 years ago

exception is if it is ANOTHER bad EA game that ruins a franchise, involves microtransactions AND loot boxes. the unholy trinity deserves to be purged.

David North
David North
2 years ago

“People are just people.
People are just people.
People are just people like you.”
-Regina Spektor, the Ghost of Corporate Future.

David North
David North
2 years ago

I will also point out that while such threats are definite in fact criminal, and thus never ok in any context and i wholly agree with the strip, having read a little more about the cases most recently I also do note I can understand that there is backlash. It is certain often voiced in a far overblown manner but I work in customer service. When complaints or issues are raised there is a serious protocol for handling them, with empathy and care, resolving or at least outlining why they cannot be resolved in a careful manner; to be told… Read more »

Argon
Argon
2 years ago

It’s sad to see how thousands of people who have never been close to produce (decent) content feel they have the right to criticize those who do. You don’t like it? Move on. What do these people do in real life? Do you think they go like “I hate McDonald’s, so I’ll go to one and talk trash to their employees! Fucking sellouts!”? It’s ridiculous.

Blaine P
Blaine P
2 years ago

Quite a bit of spice in the comments today…

Swiftbow
2 years ago

I miss when games just came on a disk and you installed them on your computer. Then you could play the game as long as you wanted and didn’t even need your internet on.

Simple times. Good times.

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NNextremNN
2 years ago
Reply to  Swiftbow

Yeah I also feel like I’m getting too old for this shit.

Merendel
Merendel
2 years ago
Reply to  Swiftbow

I miss those days too. More often than not if you buy the physical box these days all it contains is a card with a product key and download instructions, maybe some swag if its a collectors edition.

Acher4
Acher4
2 years ago
Reply to  Swiftbow

Good times indeed. 🙂

But don’t forget the downsides also, when you upgraded Operating systems, and nothing worked from your old games… 😛

Lola The Destroyer
Lola The Destroyer
2 years ago
Reply to  Swiftbow

I don’t miss those times at all. No to slow internet? Bulky cellphones no one can afford? No Youtube or Netflix? naw man, if I have to be “inconvenienced” by downloading a game on my machine with my 100mb fibre connection that’s always on, so be it. If the internet goes down, I open my door and take a walk *gasp* outside. But saying that it was better back then? No thanks

OrcDemon
OrcDemon
2 years ago

Reminds me of the comics and blog post you did on the TF2 hatgate. Pardon my bad paraphrase but I believe back then you said something like “you shouldn’t have to be told not to punch kittens, lest we find you out there, punching kittens in the street with a bewildered look on your face saying ‘but nobody ever told me NOT to punch kittens, bdurrh“

Lola The Destroyer
Lola The Destroyer
2 years ago

americans tend to be “death-threaty” and it IS sad to see this, considering the mass shootings last weekend is being blamed on violent video games again. So those idiots who do this, now give the media even more ammunition to focus on the video game subject instead of the real issue

Raymond
Raymond
2 years ago

While I can understand the anger people have if this is a game they’d been looking forward to, they totally lost me when threatening to kill someone or to rape their wife is their “go to reaction”. I mean, if someone scratches your car, you don’t behead their mother for it, do you? At least I hope not.. If so, let me know your registration number so I can stay far away from your car. There’s such a thing as proportionality. If someone kills your wife, I can totally understand wanting that person dead. But this is a video game.… Read more »

Karnasis
Karnasis
2 years ago

Obviously, death threats are a no go. But I think folks are starting to get a little unhappy with the amount of launchers/stores/programs that house their video game collections. So far we have Battle.net, Origin, Steam, UPlay, Epic Game Store. And 10 years ago we had just steam, one NEAT place to access a library of games. Origin and the EGS are functional, but overall not great launchers and the EGS is a mess, even if functional. I think that is what people are more upset about, though exclusivity deals are just a little ridiculous when you can put a… Read more »

Ex-FedEx
Ex-FedEx
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It is not about exclusivity, but about sudden switch to exclusivity, many times against earlier promises, many times with crowdfunded games, where people who already paid real money to dev, because they believe dev knows BASIC HUMAN DECENCY, get told to TAKE A HIKE LOL.#DumbGamersAmirite #SuckersAreFreeCash EGS does not challenge Steam. What EGS does has nothing to do with fair competition. Epic just BRIBES developers to be on their platform. EGS does not try to be a better option for potential customers. There are no good intentions in their actions in the slightest. Only crude powergrab with tons of money… Read more »

Erik B
Erik B
2 years ago
Reply to  Ex-FedEx

Let’s also talk about crowdfunded games, and people paying money to dev’s. In Ooblet’s case, they were being funded through Patreon. not Kickstarter or something like that. NONE of the Patreon rewards were actually access to the game. The dev’s queried or at least notified their Patreon supporters about their Epic move, and got no flak for it. They have had a very supportive community. Maybe because the people funding the game were not actually receiving the game, but were supporting for something else, I don’t know, I am not a paton of theirs. Their messages about multi-platform availability were… Read more »

Nick
Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  Karnasis

GOG Galaxy 2.0 is working to fix that. I can manage my games for GOG, Steam, Epic, and Origin from it. UPlay is supported already as well. I suspect it will have other support as well by the time it goes live. It won’t fix the issues people in other countries have with currency acceptance, but it does give a single interface to manage all games.

Arthiem
Arthiem
2 years ago

Okay, but what if, say, some publisher (2k) sends goons to break into your house, interrogate you for an hour, and copyright strikes every video on your channel. All for reporting on some leaks about Borderlands 3. is it okay to grab my shotgun at that point?

Casra
Casra
2 years ago

I have written, and gotten responses from a few dev’s, the Rebel Galaxy Outlaw’s folks for example. Told them I can’t wait to play, in a year, when they aren’t on Epic exclusive. They were nice about it in their reply.

Nick
Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  Casra

I just finally tried Rebel Galaxy from my game backlog. I’m enjoying it so far. I’ll have to add that one to my radar.

Casra
Casra
2 years ago
Reply to  Nick

I want too, but I refuse to partake of Epic Store. I don’t like it, I hate it, it can go away please.

TenderFeet
TenderFeet
2 years ago

This comic brought to you by low-hanging fruit.

Nethan
Nethan
2 years ago

Well… this is my opinion of the situation, not an approval or disapproval of the method. I don’t know for others countries but in France, the usual hypocrisy become less and less tolerated by the standard population. Population who in return begin to use violence and vandalism since two years as a result. The politicians always says that they are open to discussion blablabla… but don’t listen and do the contrary. Lastly, the CETA treaty who is not wanted by the majority of the people was still accepted by our deputies. In fact, few of them (but not enough) didn’t… Read more »